uwot wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 10:42 am
Belinda wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:10 amI don't expect psychopaths or machines to feel a quale like affection. But I expect psychopaths and machines can understand and act upon enlightened self interest.
I'm trying to get my head around this. It seems to me that there is some sort of Bell-curve with affection at one end and processing power at the other (maybe a Venn diagram). Anyway, some people are not very bright, but very affectionate; and some people are very smart, but cold and calculating. Does affection or empathy have no role in intelligence?
If this is helpful.
There is such a thing as quanitfied emotional intelligence. But I think no specific role outside its own sphere. People lacking in emotion, tend to look stupid because they do not "see" or understand the emotions of others, as well as a person that can share the emotion.
Belinda wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:10 amPerhaps, unlike psychopaths, machines are clones each of the other whereas people and other animals who can feel affection do so because while possessing powers of reasoning they also feel the specific quale of affection for beings that are different from self. Look at dogs for instance.
Most people would agree that dogs have a level of intelligence. I just wonder if any one has any idea about what will distinguish AI from the number crunching machines that can already fool us at least some of the time.
Machines might be programmed to recognise the outward signs of emotions, and be programmed to respond to them appropriately. Psychopaths can learn these behaviours in much the same way to integrate themselves into society. No one is absolutely psychopathic, and even psychopaths seek friends, but I understand that it is more about learning to act to get them by mimickry, rather than feeling the need.
To hold an emotional position requires more than just neurons and memory, there are hormonal elements too and I suppose that such hormones as oxytocin, which I seem to remember has been shown to be low or lacking in those identified as psychopathic and sociopathic.
For a non-human machine such hormones are useless.
I suggest, that if you cannot understand the difference between feeling the need for a friend, and wanting a friend for a purpose then you might have psychopthic tendancies. This is not as unusual as you might think. Most have ordinary jobs and do not persue criminal or violent activities.