attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:20 am
Good question. 1. Is it human?
Are you "human"? What makes you "human"?
That which bestows humanity is two-fold:
1. My own self-recognition/self-identification with the label "Human"
2. Me bestowing this recognition upon you by saying "you are like me and therefore you are human too".
I could just as easily de-humanize you by saying "You don't THINK like me and therefore you aren't human".
If you say that you are human, and I say that I am human but YOU are not human. Who is right?
attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:20 am
Irrelevant, the point I am making is that you conciously experience it.
OK. So make that point then? I am still waiting for you to demonstrate to me that you are conscious OR that you "experience" anything the way that I do.
attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:20 am
Evidence of what? That living organisms
consciously experience their reality differently? ...irrelevant, hence why its ignored.
Begging the question.
attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:20 am
Easy, I'll ask the maker for schematics.
OK. Shall we ask your maker for schematics?
attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:20 am
Can we agree that your tactile-sensor connected to a PC will not consciously sense touch?
No. We can't agree until you demonstrate to me that you have consciousness.
attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:20 am
We both know that is impossible.
It is impossible to prove to me that you are sentient? But you want a robot to do it?
Way to admit to double-standards
attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:20 am
Of course you would doubt yourself when confronted with someone reasoning consistently.
I don't reason consistently. I reason para-consistently. That's why I am doubting you - you are religious
attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:20 am
Really? Seemed rather heavy handed. Surely a CT scan at the least would have confirmed I am human, and again, if it quacks like a duck..
Not at all! A CT scan might tell us that you have a brain similar to that of all humans.
It's NOT going to tell us whether you or ANY human have sentience/consciousness. You said it yourself - it's impossible to prove.
So what you are really saying is "The robot is not like us". Obviously - that's a trivial truism.
You are not like me either!
Hopefully you see/understand WHY the CONCEPT of "human" and "humanity" is entirely made up yet absolutely necessary!