Making Children Moral

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Re: Making Children Moral

Post by Walker » Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:46 am

People hurt kids in ways that no one would choose to.

No, a more universal view is that school refines the ordering of mind caused by language.

The boundaries on mind imposed by that ordering are subsequently transcended outside the boundaries of school's influence, which of course requires being out of school awhile.

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Re: Making Children Moral

Post by Walker » Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:40 pm

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Re: Making Children Moral

Post by Nick_A » Sun Feb 10, 2019 5:46 am

Walker wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:40 pm
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Even though I disagree some, you've posted some good ideas concerning art in the context of a child beginning to grow in their understanding. I would maintain that the modern art does not have the power to communicate human "value" which to me is what separates art from expression.

Read this short article on the definition of art. It explains why I do not consider the expressionists serving the purpose of art so cannot concern awakening conscience in the young.

http://fadeyev.net/what-is-art/

Cubism for example can be a display of technique but doesn't communicate value. So for me Cubism is expression which is fine but it isn't art. Are you familiar with the eagle and the chicken?
There’s an old, well known story of a chicken farmer who found an eagle’s egg.

He put it with his chickens and soon the egg hatched.

The young eagle grew up with all the other chickens and whatever they did, the eagle did too. He thought he was a chicken, just like them.

Since the chickens could only fly for a short distance, the eagle also learnt to fly a short distance.

He thought that was what he was supposed to do. So that was all that he thought he could do. As a consequence, that was all he was able to do.

One day the eagle saw a bird flying high above him. He was very impressed. “Who is that?” he asked the hens around him.

“That’s the eagle, the king of the birds,” the hens told him. “He belongs to the sky. We belong to the earth, we are just chickens.”

So the eagle lived and died as a chicken, for that’s what he thought he was
Hitting bottom for a person can just be the inner recognition that they are in the world but not of it. It raises questions which are insulting to the spirit killers who seek to destroy this impulse in the young. But what of this young minority who are like young eagles being told to grow up and act like chickens? How can they meet adult eagles they can learn from if they are held captive in secular progressive institutions?

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Re: Making Children Moral

Post by Walker » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:46 pm

Nick_A wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 5:46 am
Are you familiar with the eagle and the chicken?
There’s an old, well known story of a chicken farmer who found an eagle’s egg.

He put it with his chickens and soon the egg hatched.

The young eagle grew up with all the other chickens and whatever they did, the eagle did too. He thought he was a chicken, just like them.

Since the chickens could only fly for a short distance, the eagle also learnt to fly a short distance.

He thought that was what he was supposed to do. So that was all that he thought he could do. As a consequence, that was all he was able to do.

One day the eagle saw a bird flying high above him. He was very impressed. “Who is that?” he asked the hens around him.

“That’s the eagle, the king of the birds,” the hens told him. “He belongs to the sky. We belong to the earth, we are just chickens.”

So the eagle lived and died as a chicken, for that’s what he thought he was
I remember learning a variation of that story early, in a cartoon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUuYSq_wpK4

In the cartoon a small prey, an anthropomorphized field mouse, finds an orphaned, predator-bird egg and raises it to maturity.

The cartoon compresses the development of the predator with a series of the same event at different times.

The event is playtime.

The mouse is shown emerging from his burrow with the predator on his back hollering “Giddiup Daddy!”, or maybe it was “Heyo Silver!” or something like that. It was a long time ago.

The next scene depicts the same event later in time.
The predator is larger, the voice more mature.

This series of the same event at different times continues until the last play-time of the development. The predator is now so large that its bulk destroys the burrow entrance when emerging, and its voice is deep. It’s comically huge and strong riding on the back of tiny prey-animal and yelling, “Giddiup Daddy!,” or maybe it was, "Hiyo Silver!"

For the rest of the cartoon the fully mature predator is calmly and without hurry stalking the prey that raised it, as the prey grows increasingly nervous.

In the end, the anthropomorphized prey is spared.

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Re: Making Children Moral

Post by Walker » Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:11 pm

Nick_A wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 5:46 am
But what of this young minority who are like young eagles being told to grow up and act like chickens? How can they meet adult eagles they can learn from if they are held captive in secular progressive institutions?
What’s that eagle been eating?

The eagle’s natural prey is the meek chicken that points its beak down to peck instead of skyward in vigilance.

How will the barnyard eagle, forever earthbound, be twisted from its nature by chicken-conditioning that disassociates unbound 3-dimensional free-flight, aka a naturally thrilling life independent of circumstance, from nourishment?

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Re: Making Children Moral

Post by Nick_A » Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:01 am

Walker wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:11 pm
Nick_A wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 5:46 am
But what of this young minority who are like young eagles being told to grow up and act like chickens? How can they meet adult eagles they can learn from if they are held captive in secular progressive institutions?
What’s that eagle been eating?

The eagle’s natural prey is the meek chicken that points its beak down to peck instead of skyward in vigilance.

How will the barnyard eagle, forever earthbound, be twisted from its nature by chicken-conditioning that disassociates unbound 3-dimensional free-flight, aka a naturally thrilling life independent of circumstance, from nourishment?
You are probably familiar with the expression "1000 Frenchman can't be wrong." If a thousand Frenchman want to drink who is this idiot that says no?

The modern version is "100 chickens in a barnyard can't be wrong." If this young eagle is surrounded by chickens pecking at the ground it would be rude and politically incorrect for this young eagle believing it is a chicken to question the majority. So as not to upset the majority and be accused of elitism or racism it also learns to peck at the ground and affirm barnyard social justice..

Remember that people now believe that if a man decides he is a woman, he is a woman. If a woman decides she is a man, she is a man. If an eagle believes it is a chicken, it is a chicken. To think otherwise is too insulting to consider. We are what we think we are.

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Re: Making Children Moral

Post by Walker » Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:53 pm

Nick_A wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:01 am
Remember that people now believe that if a man decides he is a woman, he is a woman. If a woman decides she is a man, she is a man. If an eagle believes it is a chicken, it is a chicken. To think otherwise is too insulting to consider. We are what we think we are.
Well now, I wonder.

Do folks really believe that, or are folks just being polite on account of one another’s indecipherable ways.

Conflicts do rise up when the decipherin' spells trouble, though.

Trouble can cause loggerheads.

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Re: Making Children Moral

Post by Walker » Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:32 am

In the US, decades of social tinkering have resulted in statistics showing that a nuclear family is required for a child to do what is moral and right.

The Fatherless Generation
https://thefatherlessgeneration.wordpre ... tatistics/

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Relying on the state for moral guidance will buy you foggy, blue-ribbon reports that talk about diversity and climate change.

Diversity First—Education, Whenever
https://www.city-journal.org/de-blasio- ... task-force

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Re: Making Children Moral

Post by Nick_A » Sat Feb 16, 2019 4:27 am

Walker wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:32 am
In the US, decades of social tinkering have resulted in statistics showing that a nuclear family is required for a child to do what is moral and right.

The Fatherless Generation
https://thefatherlessgeneration.wordpre ... tatistics/


*Relying on the state for moral guidance will buy you foggy, blue-ribbon reports that talk about diversity and climate change.

Diversity First—Education, Whenever
https://www.city-journal.org/de-blasio- ... task-force
The nuclear family is unnecessary to teach morality. All we need are more women like Hillary Clinton to teach what it means to be moral. She will be providing paid lectures to teach the audience how to teach their children morality making the ideal of the nuclear family a thing of the past.

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