Dontaskme wrote:Can you use your logic and talk about what this ''someone'' is who knows some things? can you describe the ''knower''. …
Sure, in this case its a thinking primate or if you prefer a body with senses, memory and language in and external world.
Can you use your logic to talk about the following quote?
again you talk about and assign attributes to something you can't?
Sure, there are two things we can be certain about, 'I am' and there are phenomena. Metaphysically we can infer that there may be a substrate that I and phenomena rely upon, Kant called it the Noumena but that is all we can assume as according to Kant's argument we cannot know anything more about 'it', as such all claims to 'know' what 'it' is are just wishful thinking, hence your view is as 'valid' as say the theists, et al, versions, i.e. neither of you know any such thing.
When you said ''I know I am conscious and I know I am a someone who knows some things.'' ...is that statement not assigning attributes to some ''knower''? ..so who is it that can't do this, according to your logic?
You can't do it about the Noumena but I can do it about this thinking primate exactly because I am a thinking primate.
Who or what is this ''you'' that can apparently do what it cannot do? ...as you apparently are reporting this as a truth statement. …
The who is this body with senses, memory and a language in an external world.
Please explain your metaphysical ideas since you have already qualified yourself as an understander. …
I am and there are phenomena about sums them up.
Now prove your understanding in your own words. …
What's to prove?
The problem is A-uk...as it goes, the tao that can be spoken is not the tao...words are dual in nature, and what we are discussing here is this immediate nondual reality....can you see the dilemma? …
I can and this is why I ask you what techniques you offer to experience what you can't talk about? As even the Buddha did this.
...it's not that this character here is making false contradictions, …
You're not making false contradictions, you're stating contradictions which are always false.
this character here is nothing more than a concept itself creating the unavoidable contradiction that is language, and that's the illusory separation right there. …
Whose or what's concept?
But upon closer inspection you'll see there is no dividing line between here and there except the word, the dual nature of language... but reality is silence. …
The reality is sight, taste, hearing, touch(feeling), smell.
Reality is nondual. …
Guesswork.
Are you able to look beyond the dual nature of concepts to their ultimate source and see they are an inseparable manifestation of their source and that that source must be absolute and irrefutably here NOW in that there is undoubtedly an Awareness of the knowing of every word, and that knowing itself knows itself as a conscious entity, thus the Awareness must be it, otherwise how could it light up the Knowing? …
Guesswork and wishful thinking.
Why must the Noumena be conscious?
