Arising_uk wrote: ↑Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:02 pm
Dontaskme wrote:The house burnt down is still dependant on human thought..aka a mind.
You do not have a mind. The mind is you, and you is everything and nothing. Mind is the agent, without an agent nothing is known or happening. …
Are you capable of understanding the contradictions in what you've just said?
Yes of course, the contradiction is unavoidable, words divide the knower and the known into two separate ideas. This is known as duality which is an appearance within oneness, but knower/knowing/known are always and ever only ONE in the same moment which is only and ever ..here now.
The mind has no name, no location, is not tangible, has no concept of itself, and yet concepts can and do arise within it as an energetic phenomena that cannot be known, but is in fact already this immediate ''knowing'' one without a second.....so the mind which is invisible to itself,that has no shape or form in effect takes on the shape of every concept, ...and while concepts come and go in the mind, the mind is totally motionless, so it's only the thought, aka the concept that is moving within that which is motionless and unborn.
The mind is just another word for consciousness which is just another word for awareness...these words are often used interchangeably...which I suppose can be confusing to the student who is coming to understand the nondual reality that is this here right now.
There is no thing in reality but concepts, all concepts.
Arising_uk wrote: ↑Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:02 pmAcoording to you, what 'cactus on its own'?
On it's own, meaning ONENESS/BEINGNESS/PRESENCE...or what ever else concept thought uses to describe this immediate non-conceptual pure unborn presence in which there is appearing the sense of one being alive.
Presence is totally harmless, it's forever untouched or effected by any thought/thing that appears within it. Presence aka awareness is synonymous to the sky or space that is never altered or defiled by what ever is contained within or on it. And it's that sure no thing that has to be prior to any other thing to be, the hard concept to grasp is that these things have no existence apart from this ONE presence ALL ALONE
Emptiness is form, form is emptiness.
The candle/petrol did not burn down the house, the mind did. …
Well in truth no THING did anything, things are thoughts, and thought can't do anything, nothing ever happened, however, ''thought'' makes that which is not happening appear to be happening..and because there is always and forever here now an awareness presence which is prior to thought and is that in which thought makes a temporal appearance....this awareness presence has to be, it is the knower of every happening as and when it arises apparently, everything is known because the awareness is intimately here with itself always. There is simply nothing that cannot be known since awareness is this forever present ''knowing'' as and when that knowing arises inseparable from it.
A flag waving in the wind is not caused by the wind, the wind or the flag does not move. It's the mind, via thought. Without the thought, what is a flag, what is wind?
Arising_uk wrote: ↑Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:02 pmA flag is a piece of cloth on a pole, the wind is the movement of the atmosphere going up and down due to pressure differentials caused by heat differentials.
Yes indeed, says thought.
Arising_uk wrote: ↑Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:02 pmAre you really saying you think that trees did not wave in the breeze before human minds appeared?
Nothing is known without an observer present. Although an observer is always this immediate presence anyway, it doesn't have to know anything for it to be..IT IS.
The observer has no birth and death...only what appears as ''thoughts'' WITHIN the observer inseparable from it has birth and death...therefore, birth and death are both illusions, they are concepts that have no reality in and of themselves. Concepts being a transient passing show upon the ever present screen of awareness. The YOU is the screen, the I aka identity is the passing show upon it. YOU the unidentified are watching the movie of your identified life coming and going, but this is the illusion...YOU in reality are unborn and cannot die...only the dream is born, only the dream fades. YOU stay.
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Bye the way A-uk...Dam can't return to the normal typically conditioned programmed way of being in the world that was once indoctrinated into me from birth by my culture parents teachers and peers...that way of being is no longer abiding in me...I was one of the lucky ones who saw through the illusion of others, I broke free from the shackles of the matrix, I'm home now and nothing is going to disturb the peace that is home with the true beloved I AM...there is no going back.
I come to this forum to help put straight the crooked and show that human suffering really can we wiped away for ever, leaving only ever lasting peace of mind...and the joy and bliss that comes with that knowing that we are always loved and held in safety. Earth is heaven, it's the only heaven if only we choose to see it, to want it.
Also, earth is just one room in this mansion, there are many more rooms to experience, watch this space...!!! it's infinity expressing self right now.
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