Re: Cutting God in Half
Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:31 pm
Does evil and love affect the physical universe? What science or philosophy would lead to that conclusion? .
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If I were religious, I'd say the change happened with the humans showing up. According to many religions, if not to all of them, humans and god have a very special relationship.jayjacobus wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:17 pm The universe has been very successful. Until recently it hadn't been evil or loving. God,if he existed, hadn't been evil or loving. What changed?
What do you mean by 'Until recently it hadn't been evil or loving.'?jayjacobus wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:31 pmDoes evil and love affect the physical universe? What science or philosophy would lead to that conclusion? .attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:27 amWere you around in an earlier time? How do you know this?jayjacobus wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:17 pm The universe has been very successful. Until recently it hadn't been evil or loving. God,if he existed, hadn't been evil or loving. What changed?
jayjacobus wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:33 pm Read the book of Job. Job makes the case that God is evil. But if you don't believe in God, then Job is wrong and if you do believe in God, then have you any reason to believe that God chooses you for anything, good or evil? What happens in the universe, happens because of nature. God's actions are very subtle. In fact so much so that they can not be discerned without a religious bias.
-1- wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 12:00 amjayjacobus wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:33 pm Read the book of Job. Job makes the case that God is evil. But if you don't believe in God, then Job is wrong and if you do believe in God, then have you any reason to believe that God chooses you for anything, good or evil? What happens in the universe, happens because of nature. God's actions are very subtle. In fact so much so that they can not be discerned without a religious bias.
"Read the book of Job. Job makes the case that God is evil. But if you don't believe in God, then Job is wrong (and therefore God is good.) And if you do believe in God," I would have gone on from here this way: "then Job is right, and therefore God does not exist as we know it."
In other words, if God exists, then the bible is wrong, and if god does not exist, then the bible is irrelevant.
Thanks, Jayjacobus. I am not saying what you are saying, I know, but you sort of got me on the right track.
It's not raining so the rain god is angry. How do you know? Maybe it's not raining because the weather pattern is unfavorable. Job draws his conclusions based on a conversation he could not possibly have heard.-1- wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 12:00 amjayjacobus wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:33 pm Read the book of Job. Job makes the case that God is evil. But if you don't believe in God, then Job is wrong and if you do believe in God, then have you any reason to believe that God chooses you for anything, good or evil? What happens in the universe, happens because of nature. God's actions are very subtle. In fact so much so that they can not be discerned without a religious bias.
"Read the book of Job. Job makes the case that God is evil. But if you don't believe in God, then Job is wrong (and therefore God is good.) And if you do believe in God," I would have gone on from here this way: "then Job is right, and therefore God does not exist as we know it."
In other words, if God exists, then the bible is wrong, and if god does not exist, then the bible is irrelevant.
Thanks, Jayjacobus. I am not saying what you are saying, I know, but you sort of got me on the right track.
jayjacobus wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:43 am Job draws his conclusions based on a conversation he could not possibly have heard.
When Job was wealthy, he didn't say he wished he was never born. In spite of their troubles most people are glad to be alive.
I am not getting through. This is surprising.jayjacobus wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 12:12 pm But you don't have any evidence that God is evil which is particularly true if God doesn't exist. If God doesn't exist, what is evil about the universe? If you can answer that, then evil exists with or without God.