surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:03 pm
The human mind is reading this knowledge. The human mind is a part of the Universe
The Universe that created the human mind along with everything else that also exists
Now you are saying the universe created the human mind that is reading and knowing these words as knowledge.
And below in your previous comments you state that the human mind created the human mind...which I've underlined for you.
surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:03 pmI think that things [ physical objects ] exist independent of human minds.
I think that the perceiver / conceiver that you constantly refer to does
not actually exist in reality and is simply a mental construct within your own mind. My mind does not accept that it exists in any objective sense
So the question is...can that which is known (an object) be separated out from the knower of that object? because that's basically what you are saying...can a perceiver / conceiver exist without some thing to perceive? ...can the perceived object exist separate from that which is conceiving it? .... wouldn't that require the perceiver conceiver to split itself in two?
The mental construct you are refering to is a ''thought'' ..can you see that it is ''thought'' that is responsible for the divide between knower and known..it is ''thought'' alone that has caused an illusory split between knower and known?
Can ''thought'' really do that? ..or it the split an illusion of oneness appearing as the multitudes? Can that which is all that is, aka everything aka ONE really be divided up into parts that live independantly of a mind? when it is the mind that created those parts in the first place.....to me, this idea is absolutely false in every way. The way I see it is that the mind is uncreated, and is the source of all created things, aka illusions.
The mind cannot know anything, the mind is the KNOWN. . . WHAT KNOWS MIND IS UNKNOWABLE....because there is only mind and the contents of that mind are inseparable from mind.
A concept is an idea, which is a thought, which is invisible, same goes for the belief in a concept which in turn manifests the concept into actuality even though a belief or a thought is invisible...do you not see how the mind is a trickster of illusion? creating things that are not really here, they only appear to here as images upon this all pervading awareness that knows each image as it appears, like in a night-time dream? which is a dream within waking another dream inseparable from the awareness, which is uncreated.
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You previously stated that objects can exist prior to those objects being known, and the only time any object can be known is when a human mind...aka a knower popped aware...a human mind that suddenly appeared as the knower of what was previously not known...was not self aware.
I'm not implying you mean this, it's just how this one here is reading it..
Is this actually true?
My take on this is that there is no human mind that can pop aware, there is only awareness popping aware as and through a human being, pretending to be that human being because awareness cannot pop aware, so the human being aka the mind mistakes itself to be the knower...it artificially makes the claim of being the author of itself..when in truth, awareness never pops aware, it never appears, because it's uncreated...IT IS WITHOUT BEGINING NOR END...it's only the mind that is born/only the knowledge is born which is an illusory appearance..aka the dream appearance of no thing...the dream of separation.
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I understand I may have gone a bit too deep here for some readers to comprehend what I've said, apologies in advance, but my passion is to live the living truth and only the truth , the truth that Jesus taught.
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