Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2017 5:10 pm
ken wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2017 1:04 pm
To Me there is a way of saying this so that every one can fully comprehend and understand this,
Great, just don't involve me in any more of your expressions, I'm sick of tail chasing with you.
How do I involve you? Am I forcing you to become involved?
The only way I am involving you is by asking you to elaborate and explain more about what you are trying to say, or I ask you to clarify some of the things you are saying. Unfortunately though you do none of this but instead get involved in your own way, which is to say that some things are impossible, without proof, and also try to express some things as absolutely true, also without proof nor evidence.
When, and if, you discover the reason WHY you are tail chasing, then you will be able to stop doing that. The reason you are chasing your own tail is very obvious. I am NOT tail chasing with you at all, as I am learning much more about how to express better when I discuss with you and every other person in this forum.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2017 5:10 pm ken wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2017 1:04 pmwhereas, you believe that explaining this is impossible. To you one simply cannot teach another the Non-dual truth using words, but you yourself keep attempting to do this even though you know and say that it is completely futile to keep doing so.
Absolutely not true, I'm not attempting to do anything of the sort.
You are not attempting to do anything of
what, exactly?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2017 5:10 pmI say words can be used as pointers, pointing one back to original source, but very difficult to do using concepts since that defeats the object. The final 'ah ha' moment is purely within an internal realisation of the mind remembering itself with the help of the conceptual pointers.
Is this 'mind' that you allude to here the same mind as the one when you use the term 'my mind'?
If not, then what is the difference exactly?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2017 5:10 pmThe words alone don't cut it, there's got to be a deliberate intention to follow the pointers to what they are actually pointing to and not pointing to, and it is life only that wills that intention in a particular person, but not in everyone..some will read the words and just think 'meh!'..or 'what the fuck!' and leave it well alone.
Are you suggesting that life only wills that intention in some but not in others? If so, WHY would life be doing that?
If that is not what you are suggesting, then WHY did I read to that pointing in what you said here?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2017 5:10 pm But for the more serious hard core seeker, there is a relentless not giving-up and a strong will to search through many interpretations as they possibly can.
But you, if I have this right, have said it is only life that wills that intention in a particular person, so if as you call 'the more serious hard core seeker' has absolutely no control over how much or how little they seek because life is controlling this, then just maybe that person has seen the big picture of Life already, because Life, Itself, has already willed that to happen.
To explain this using your terminology the reason you are still seeking is because Life has only willed the intention of being a seeker in you. That is why you are still a seeker. For some of us, however, Life has already shown the big and true picture. For us the jigsaw puzzle has already been put together, fitted perfectly, which is producing a crystal clear picture. The reason why some of us have had this fully revealed to already is because of, one word, honesty.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2017 5:10 pmThe words alone are like pieces of a very large jigsaw puzzle, and not until every single piece of that puzzle is set in place in the mind, the picture will not emerge.
If as you suggest 'mind' is an infinite field of Awareness, then the full and complete jigsaw puzzle is already set in place. Always has been in fact.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2017 5:10 pmAnd even then just as we think the picture is complete, there is then another discovery to make which is of an even higher understanding. More information starts to come in. Evolution is a never ending story, it's infinite for eternity.
If that is what is happening for you, then I suggest if you want to speed the process up somewhat being more honest and be more willing to accept that you need to change, for the better, will help you to put that puzzle together so that you can see things much more clearer.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2017 5:10 pmOnce we've walked through one door, there is another door up ahead, each being the entrance into higher and higher dimensions of reality that have not been revealed to us yet due to the brain not being ripe enough to take in the new conditioning/programming.
The brain is already ripe enough, which will be proven. The key to opening up all the doors much quicker is honesty, itself, and when you have the key and thus are able to open up, all those doors, just about instantly, then understanding how to get through all doors at once has already been experienced, and thus the HOW of being able to do this is also already known.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2017 5:10 pm Lets remember, the brain is a copy of the original big bang moment when the self conceived it's whole self all at once.
But who states that the big bang moment was when the whole self was conceived all at once? In infinite wisdom the big bang was NOT
the
conception of "its" whole self, all at once. The big bang was just a part of and just a moment in the whole Self, that is the Universe, Itself.
To Me, the brain receives information, from all or any of the five senses of the body, and then expresses that information as thoughts. The brain also instructs the body how to behave, or misbehave, which may some times just be the case.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2017 5:10 pm It seems we only use 10% of it currently. But the brain can only reveal what it is ready to reveal.
Or, the brain can only reveal what has already been revealed to it. The best way to have all the meaningful answers revealed to you is by being fully and completely open. The best, quickest and simplest way to be fully and completely open is to be truly honest and NOT have any beliefs at all. Disbelieving has just as strong disability effect as believing does. Through assuming, believing, and disbelieving thoughts, coming from the brain, can very easily disable the ability to learn, understand, and reason.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2017 5:10 pm New information comes streaming into my brain everyday almost,
I can assure you that new information is streaming into that brain EVERY day. How open you are to it, is another matter.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2017 5:10 pm it's like I've become a channel because my mind is so open and is ascending right now.
What do you mean by 'my' and by 'mind'? Where is this and what is this 'my mind'?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2017 5:10 pmHowever, I don't always discuss that information on this forum. On this forum, I tend to stick to the level of understanding the readers can comprehend and not push it too far beyond their scope to grasp what's being said.
But a lot of what you say can come across extremely contradictory and very confusingly. To Me, what you are trying to say is very easily understood already, but if you can not clarify nor elaborate and explain further what you actually do say, then the actual level of understanding is being shown or not shown, which just may be the case.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2017 5:10 pmThe brain has to take in a new information that is completely alien to what it has been conditioned and programmed.
So what? This has been happening since human beings came into being.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2017 5:10 pmSo therefore, I don't go with the idea that it can be put into words in the way you think it can, words are fragmented, it takes years and years and years of reading Nondual literature, and many more years listening to different and uniquely individual Nondual masters.
But, obviously, nondual litterature and nondual "masters" do NOT yet have the answers.
WHY study some thing that does NOT have the answers anyway? Especially considering ALL the answers are within the truly OPEN person already. You only need to learn how to become completely open in order to discover that the answers are already here within you.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2017 5:10 pmIf Ken says it can be put into words, then in a sense that maybe true, but what I'm saying is that not everyone is going to understand it, especially if it's coming from just one author / source only.
What if that One author/source IS the pure One?
Remember to Me the 'pure One' is the united and collective of EVERY one as One, anyway. Surely this author/source already has ALL the answers?
Learning HOW to become fully open so that ALL the answers can be revealed to you is all it takes.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2017 5:10 pmI don't believe awakening and reconnecting to source is as simple as you make it out to be, but that is just my opinion.
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Until you are shown exactly HOW simple and easy it really is, then you have absolutely NO idea. Not believing that awakening and reconnecting the source is as simple as I say it is, then that means you are NOT open to that even being possible. Until you are OPEN, you are unable to learn and understand this at all. In fact until you are open, then you unable to learn much more than what you already think, assume, and believe is true right now.