A Practical Role for Philosophy

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A Practical Role for Philosophy

Post by Philosophy Now » Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:06 pm

Peter Bowden argues that it is not a choice between education or training: both are needed, and across every discipline. The problem is that the sciences are providing education as well as training, but that the departments of philosophy are not providing the training.

https://philosophynow.org/issues/52/A_Practical_Role_for_Philosophy

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Post by Impenitent » Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:34 pm

Nice article...

the training will vary for each profession certainly...

do no harm

treat others as you want to be treated

rip this "mass of tissue" out of my body

caveat emptor

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Re: A Practical Role for Philosophy

Post by A_Seagull » Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:08 pm

The trouble with much of philosophy at universities is that it focuses on opinions rather than methodology. Science is the opposite of this, which is why it is so successful.

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Re: A Practical Role for Philosophy

Post by -1- » Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:05 am

A_Seagull wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:08 pm
The trouble with much of philosophy at universities is that it focuses on opinions rather than methodology. Science is the opposite of this, which is why it is so successful.
Peter Bowden argues that it is not a choice between education or training: both are needed, and across every discipline. The problem is that the sciences are providing education as well as training, but that the departments of philosophy are not providing the training.
The trouble with much of philosophy at universities is that there are not enough double-chocolate donuts disbursed during lab. Donuts and coffee are well-known stimulants that don't increase IQ per se, but increase put-through and speed of brain activity.

Another trouble with much of philosophy at universities is the merciless foisting of man-to-young-man sexual gratification. This is the big thing that made the Greek philosophers so great. Much like today's music sucks, because the choice of drug consumed by musicians and composers is fundamentally different from what it used to be in the golden age of modern music creation.

A third trouble with much of philosophy at universities is that there is not enough interest by industry. Steel mills, economic advisory councils, translocutionary modifications system engineering, and actually, all other technologically-driven disciplines and industrial complexes employ no professional philosophers at all. Some use applied ethics, and these applications mainly hinder the progress of process of scientific enquiry. And ethicists are not philosophy graduates, but governmental bureaucratic red-tape puking, HR maniac, legally dark-haired (women) or balding (male), paper pushers.

And lastly, the main trouble with much of philosophy at universities is the angry young seven-headed paper tiger with the body of a sea nymph that keeps barking during lectures, so it's hard to hear the prof.

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Re: A Practical Role for Philosophy

Post by Belinda » Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:27 am

I do agree with Peter Bowden that philosophers should look towards practical applications of what they learn from the great philosophers, even if the practical application is only self improvement.

I wouldn't dare to suggest how to design a philosophy component for inclusion in some other specialism. However I understand this done when students combine for instance politics and philosophy.

Philosophy is not the only discipline that teaches training in lucid thinking. History , anthropology, and other human sciences do so.I imagine that crime detection studies do so too.

I understand that medical ethics are part of medics' curriculums.
It is a pity that science curriculums are so full that there isn't time left over for history and philosophy of science.

Certainly there is a strong case to be made for specifically ethics i.e. moral philosophy to be taught within business studies curriculums.

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Re: A Practical Role for Philosophy

Post by Nick_A » Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:34 pm

A_Seagull wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:08 pm
The trouble with much of philosophy at universities is that it focuses on opinions rather than methodology. Science is the opposite of this, which is why it is so successful.
Methodology is known. A secular dominated university must deny it in order to retain its secular dominance. Methodology is simply the process of acquiring the need, will, and conscious quality necessary to impartially "know thyself," to experience oneself rather than imagine oneself.

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Re: A Practical Role for Philosophy

Post by Eodnhoj7 » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:05 am

Nick_A wrote:
Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:34 pm
A_Seagull wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:08 pm
The trouble with much of philosophy at universities is that it focuses on opinions rather than methodology. Science is the opposite of this, which is why it is so successful.
Methodology is known. A secular dominated university must deny it in order to retain its secular dominance. Methodology is simply the process of acquiring the need, will, and conscious quality necessary to impartially "know thyself," to experience oneself rather than imagine oneself.
Several of the philosophical principles in the Kybalion observe this, yet will not be found in any university established philosophy program....yet.

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