Language Usage can be Strange

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Language Usage can be Strange

Post by aloysius » Sat Apr 23, 2011 5:23 pm

Definitions first:

is ~ the third person singular presnt indicative of the verb be

be ~ to exist in actuality; have reality or life

How odd then, to say, "He is dead."

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Post by Thundril » Sat Apr 23, 2011 5:36 pm

aloysius wrote:Definitions first:

is ~ the third person singular presnt indicative of the verb be

be ~ to exist in actuality; have reality or life

How odd then, to say, "He is dead."
Exactly! Check this out!

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Post by Arising_uk » Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:53 pm

In parts of my country and in the past "He be dead" is acceptable.

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Post by John » Sun Apr 24, 2011 12:48 am

Arising_uk wrote:In parts of my country and in the past "He be dead" is acceptable.
I think you might still get away with it in Last of the Summer Wine.

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Post by Arising_uk » Sun Apr 24, 2011 5:18 pm

:) Oo! Arr!!

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Post by Rortabend » Fri Oct 07, 2011 1:44 pm

Pirates say "He be dead".

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Post by chaz wyman » Sat Oct 08, 2011 12:31 pm

aloysius wrote:Definitions first:

is ~ the third person singular presnt indicative of the verb be

be ~ to exist in actuality; have reality or life

How odd then, to say, "He is dead."
THe question is, does language affect the way we think about the reality of life? Is the fact that we tend to suggest a state of existence to "being" dead, make us avoid the real problem of ceasing to be? Does it encourage thought of an afterlife- a passing over, a passing away, rather than a full termination.
Or is it the case that because we tend to believe in an afterlife that we allow such wooly thinking to effect our language?

It is very much the same question you can ask when people use "WHY" when "HOW" is more appropriate to ask scientific questions; when the "why" asserts intentionality in nature.

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Post by chaz wyman » Sat Oct 08, 2011 12:33 pm

shmell wrote:
aloysius wrote:Definitions first:

is ~ the third person singular presnt indicative of the verb be

be ~ to exist in actuality; have reality or life

How odd then, to say, "He is dead."
Isn't death real? You can paraphrase it in "He exists in a state of death"
You can say that death is a thing that happened. But the whole point of death is that it is definable as the cessation , the termination of the existence of a person, so no there is no existence in death.

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Post by Steve_Reilly » Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:27 pm

But you've simply taken one of the many definitions of "be" and applied it where it doesn't belong. Another definition from Merriam-Webster is "to have a specified qualification or characterization". So there's nothing weird about saying "He is dead".

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Post by aloysius » Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:42 pm

How can you "have" anything when you don't exist, as in death?

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Post by The Voice of Time » Sat Dec 15, 2012 3:22 pm

aloysius wrote:Definitions first:

is ~ the third person singular presnt indicative of the verb be

be ~ to exist in actuality; have reality or life

How odd then, to say, "He is dead."
Yes but "concepts" can be "alive". The word is a metaphor.

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Re: Language Usage can be Strange

Post by Impenitent » Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:38 pm

language is double plus good

-Imp

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Re: Language Usage can be Strange

Post by chaz wyman » Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:09 pm

Impenitent wrote:language is double plus good

-Imp
No it is not. It is triple plus excellent, with meritorious extras.

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