Nick_A wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:34 am
Without awareness of the conscious universe, emergence cannot be a conscious act.
Oh, I see... you don't know what "emergence" means in the context of Philosophy of Mind. You think it means something like "enlightenment."
Sorry, it doesn't, Nick: you've misunderstood the topic of the previous conversation. "Emergence" has nothing to do with spiritual enlightenment. It' s a problem in Progressivist, evolutionary paradigms, that's all. It has no spiritual dimension or implications. It's just the question of when and how (if it does) the property we call "mind" or "consciousness" appears from a physical being's brain.
What you're trying to talk about is how an already-conscious entity becomes somewhat "higher conscious," or "spiritually conscious." That's not at all what's been in view here. Rather, it's the question of
any consciousness at all...when and how it comes about.
"Emergence," then, if it happens, is never "a conscious act." It is the very act of
becoming conscious. Nobody can choose it. It's not voluntary, and it has nothing to do with religious proclivities.
Hope that clears up your confusion.