Commas and Meta Contexts.

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Commas and Meta Contexts.

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Commas necessitate language as subject to meta context, where "," can be replace with brackets symbolizing context "( )". This meta context necessitates all language, as strings, is composed of meta strings which define it.

For example:

The dog, in May, ate the food, which is brown, while walking with the owner, along the bank, a bank which is cold on December, in order to please his master, who is strict, a strictness grounded in childhood, a strictness instilled by his mother.

The dog (in May) ate the food (which is brown) while walking with the owner (along the bank (a bank which is cold on December)) in order to please his master (who is strict (a strictness grounded in childhood (a strictness instilled by his mother))).

Or

The dog (in May (ate the food (which is brown ( while walking with the owner (along the bank ( a bank which is cold on December (in order to please his master (who is strict ( a strictness grounded in childhood (a strictness instilled by his mother.))))))))))
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was the dog brown or the food?

was the master unpleased in the summer?

strictly speaking splices are fun as well

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Impenitent wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:07 pm was the dog brown or the food?

was the master unpleased in the summer?

strictly speaking splices are fun as well

-Imp

casually speaking splices are fun as wells
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commonsense wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:28 am
Impenitent wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:07 pm was the dog brown or the food?

was the master unpleased in the summer?

strictly speaking splices are fun as well

-Imp

casually speaking splices are fun as wells
depending on the bucket

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:36 pm Commas necessitate language as subject to meta context, where "," can be replace with brackets symbolizing context "( )". This meta context necessitates all language, as strings, is composed of meta strings which define it.

For example:

The dog, in May, ate the food, which is brown, while walking with the owner, along the bank, a bank which is cold on December, in order to please his master, who is strict, a strictness grounded in childhood, a strictness instilled by his mother.

The dog (in May) ate the food (which is brown) while walking with the owner (along the bank (a bank which is cold on December)) in order to please his master (who is strict (a strictness grounded in childhood (a strictness instilled by his mother))).

Or

The dog (in May (ate the food (which is brown ( while walking with the owner (along the bank ( a bank which is cold on December (in order to please his master (who is strict ( a strictness grounded in childhood (a strictness instilled by his mother.))))))))))
:lol: Before you start on about meta-this and meta-blah you ought to learn to write clear English, e.g. "... ate the food, which was brown...".
Also, you should be able to ignore the bit between commas and the rest of the sentence should still make sense which your example fails to do.

Try this,
"In May to please its strict owner, a strictness instilled by his mother, the dog ate brown food while walking along a bank which in December is cold."

Although the English would use "whilst" not "while" and there's something wrong with the "walking along a bank which in December is cold" maybe should be "was". Also, the idea of a dog eating to please its owner becaue the owner is strict is a dubious one.
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Arising_uk wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:38 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:36 pm Commas necessitate language as subject to meta context, where "," can be replace with brackets symbolizing context "( )". This meta context necessitates all language, as strings, is composed of meta strings which define it.

For example:

The dog, in May, ate the food, which is brown, while walking with the owner, along the bank, a bank which is cold on December, in order to please his master, who is strict, a strictness grounded in childhood, a strictness instilled by his mother.

The dog (in May) ate the food (which is brown) while walking with the owner (along the bank (a bank which is cold on December)) in order to please his master (who is strict (a strictness grounded in childhood (a strictness instilled by his mother))).

Or

The dog (in May (ate the food (which is brown ( while walking with the owner (along the bank ( a bank which is cold on December (in order to please his master (who is strict ( a strictness grounded in childhood (a strictness instilled by his mother.))))))))))
:lol: Before you start on about meta-this and meta-blah you ought to learn to write clear English and in your example learn how to match tenses as it'd be "... ate the food, which was brown...".
Also, you should be able to ignore the bit between commas and the rest of the sentence should still make sense which your example fails to do.

Try this,
"In May to please its strict owner, a strictness instilled by his mother, the dog ate brown food while walking along a bank which in December is cold."

Although the English would use "whilst" not "while".
Semantics, the contexts which form the sentence can be arranged in a variety of ways.

To please its strict owner, a strictness instilled by his mother, the dog ate, in may, food that was brown while walking along a bank which in December is cold.
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Re: Commas and Meta Contexts.

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:45 pm
Arising_uk wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:38 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:36 pm Commas necessitate language as subject to meta context, where "," can be replace with brackets symbolizing context "( )". This meta context necessitates all language, as strings, is composed of meta strings which define it.

For example:

The dog, in May, ate the food, which is brown, while walking with the owner, along the bank, a bank which is cold on December, in order to please his master, who is strict, a strictness grounded in childhood, a strictness instilled by his mother.

The dog (in May) ate the food (which is brown) while walking with the owner (along the bank (a bank which is cold on December)) in order to please his master (who is strict (a strictness grounded in childhood (a strictness instilled by his mother))).

Or

The dog (in May (ate the food (which is brown ( while walking with the owner (along the bank ( a bank which is cold on December (in order to please his master (who is strict ( a strictness grounded in childhood (a strictness instilled by his mother.))))))))))
:lol: Before you start on about meta-this and meta-blah you ought to learn to write clear English and in your example learn how to match tenses as it'd be "... ate the food, which was brown...".
Also, you should be able to ignore the bit between commas and the rest of the sentence should still make sense which your example fails to do.

Try this,
"In May to please its strict owner, a strictness instilled by his mother, the dog ate brown food while walking along a bank which in December is cold."

Although the English would use "whilst" not "while".
Semantics, the contexts which form the sentence can be arranged in a variety of ways.

To please its strict owner, a strictness instilled by his mother, the dog ate, in may, food that was brown while walking along a bank which in December is cold.
Not semantics, grammar. Your new example still doesn't follow the rules of comma usage. Time to go back to high-school and learn how to write English before attempting any linguistic philosophical analysis.
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Arising_uk wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:49 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:45 pm
Arising_uk wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:38 pm
:lol: Before you start on about meta-this and meta-blah you ought to learn to write clear English and in your example learn how to match tenses as it'd be "... ate the food, which was brown...".
Also, you should be able to ignore the bit between commas and the rest of the sentence should still make sense which your example fails to do.

Try this,
"In May to please its strict owner, a strictness instilled by his mother, the dog ate brown food while walking along a bank which in December is cold."

Although the English would use "whilst" not "while".
Semantics, the contexts which form the sentence can be arranged in a variety of ways.

To please its strict owner, a strictness instilled by his mother, the dog ate, in may, food that was brown while walking along a bank which in December is cold.
Not semantics, grammar. Your new example still doesn't follow the rules of comma usage. Time to go back to high-school and learn how to write English before attempting any linguistic philosophical analysis.
:) Semantics is Grammar (it is in the actual definition):

Semantics:

"the branch of linguistics and logic concerned with meaning. There are a number of branches and subbranches of semantics, including formal semantics, which studies the logical aspects of meaning, such as sense, reference, implication, and logical form, lexical semantics, which studies word meanings and word relations, and conceptual semantics, which studies the cognitive structure of meaning."


Grammar:

"the whole system and structure of a language or of languages in general, usually taken as consisting of syntax and morphology (including inflections) and sometimes also phonology and semantics."

The only rules which define the order in which each word is presented are based upon assumptions.

To say:

"The dog ran outside all of May."

Or

"All of may the dog ran outside."


is a matter of choice and no formal rule applies.
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Re: Commas and Meta Contexts.

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:17 pm
Arising_uk wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:49 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:45 pm

Semantics, the contexts which form the sentence can be arranged in a variety of ways.

To please its strict owner, a strictness instilled by his mother, the dog ate, in may, food that was brown while walking along a bank which in December is cold.
Not semantics, grammar. Your new example still doesn't follow the rules of comma usage. Time to go back to high-school and learn how to write English before attempting any linguistic philosophical analysis.
:) Semantics is Grammar (it is in the actual definition):

Semantics:

"the branch of linguistics and logic concerned with meaning. There are a number of branches and subbranches of semantics, including formal semantics, which studies the logical aspects of meaning, such as sense, reference, implication, and logical form, lexical semantics, which studies word meanings and word relations, and conceptual semantics, which studies the cognitive structure of meaning."


Grammar:

"the whole system and structure of a language or of languages in general, usually taken as consisting of syntax and morphology (including inflections) and sometimes also phonology and semantics."

The only rules which define the order in which each word is presented are based upon assumptions.

To say:

"The dog ran outside all of May."

Or

"All of may the dog ran outside."


is a matter of choice and no formal rule applies.
You really need to go back to high-school and take English lessons as you apparently don't understand the word "sometimes" nor the grammatical use of capitals.

The main difference is that Semantics is concerned with the meaning and Grammar the structure used to express that meaning. As such your original examples were bad English grammar and did not follow the grammar rules for comma usage.

That you then waffle on about 'assumptions' and post examples which have nothing to do with my point just shows your usual tactic of trying to sound clever when in fact you are essentially an ill-educated imbecile.
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Arising_uk wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:43 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:17 pm
Arising_uk wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:49 pm
Not semantics, grammar. Your new example still doesn't follow the rules of comma usage. Time to go back to high-school and learn how to write English before attempting any linguistic philosophical analysis.
:) Semantics is Grammar (it is in the actual definition):

Semantics:

"the branch of linguistics and logic concerned with meaning. There are a number of branches and subbranches of semantics, including formal semantics, which studies the logical aspects of meaning, such as sense, reference, implication, and logical form, lexical semantics, which studies word meanings and word relations, and conceptual semantics, which studies the cognitive structure of meaning."


Grammar:

"the whole system and structure of a language or of languages in general, usually taken as consisting of syntax and morphology (including inflections) and sometimes also phonology and semantics."

The only rules which define the order in which each word is presented are based upon assumptions.

To say:

"The dog ran outside all of May."

Or

"All of may the dog ran outside."


is a matter of choice and no formal rule applies.
You really need to go back to high-school and take English lessons as you apparently don't understand the word "sometimes" nor the grammatical use of capitals.

The main difference is that Semantics is concerned with the meaning and Grammar the structure used to express that meaning. As such your original examples were bad English grammar and did not follow the grammar rules for comma usage.

That you then waffle on about 'assumptions' and post examples which have nothing to do with my point just shows your usual tactic of trying to sound clever when in fact you are essentially an ill-educated imbecile.
The correct order of wording is relative to the observer. Yes, grammar and semantics exist through the other. Any distinction is just tautological difference. And yes, I use the word tautology alot. Why? Because that is what all definition ends up resorting too.

Relative to commas, one can throw as many as they want around for all I care.

You expressed no rules for comma usage. The only rule, one which was implied, has been expressed through an example of comma usage and not the actual rules behind comma usage itself.

Any rule, emphasizing commas, reflects the context of the word presented. Comma use, however one seeks to apply it, is more lenient compared to the other rules of grammar.

Regardless, you haven't addressed the main theme of the post.


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Eodnhoj7 wrote:The correct order of wording is relative to the observer. ...
:roll: There is no 'correct' ordering there's just rules of thumb to assist comprehension.
Yes, grammar and semantics exist through the other. ...
More waffle trying to sound insightful.
Any distinction is just tautological difference. And yes, I use the word tautology alot. Why? Because that is what all definition ends up resorting too. ...
The 'why' is because you don't understand what "tautology" means you just like the sound of you saying it.
Relative to commas, one can throw as many as they want around for all I care. ...
That's because you don't understand their use nor wish to write clear and concise English.
You expressed no rules for comma usage. The only rule, one which was implied, has been expressed through an example of comma usage and not the actual rules behind comma usage itself. ...
Yes I did. If you have a sentence with a part encased by commas then you should be able to ignore that part and the rest should still make sense. Another simple rule is that when reading a sentence if you find you're are running out of breath then you may wish to use a comma. Another is if you wish to include information that is not essential to the main point of the sentence then enclose it with commas.
Any rule, emphasizing commas, reflects the context of the word presented. Comma use, however one seeks to apply it, is more lenient compared to the other rules of grammar.

Regardless, you haven't addressed the main theme of the post.


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That's because there is no 'main theme' to the post as commas and parentheses serve the same function and you could use any symbol you liked if you wished. It's just your obsession to sound like you are saying something of import and clogging the forum with your nonsense. Get a blog ffs.
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Arising_uk wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:16 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote:The correct order of wording is relative to the observer. ...
:roll: There is no 'correct' ordering there's just rules of thumb to assist comprehension.
Yes, grammar and semantics exist through the other. ...
More waffle trying to sound insightful.
Any distinction is just tautological difference. And yes, I use the word tautology alot. Why? Because that is what all definition ends up resorting too. ...
The 'why' is because you don't understand what "tautology" means you just like the sound of you saying it.
Relative to commas, one can throw as many as they want around for all I care. ...
That's because you don't understand their use nor wish to write clear and concise English.
You expressed no rules for comma usage. The only rule, one which was implied, has been expressed through an example of comma usage and not the actual rules behind comma usage itself. ...
Yes I did. If you have a sentence with a part encased by commas then you should be able to ignore that part and the rest should still make sense. Another simple rule is that when reading a sentence if you find you're are running out of breath then you may wish to use a comma. Another is if you wish to include information that is not essential to the main point of the sentence then enclose it with commas.
Any rule, emphasizing commas, reflects the context of the word presented. Comma use, however one seeks to apply it, is more lenient compared to the other rules of grammar.

Regardless, you haven't addressed the main theme of the post.


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That's because there is no 'main theme' to the post as commas and parentheses serve the same function and you could use any symbol you liked if you wished. It's just your obsession to sound like you are saying something of import and clogging the forum with your nonsense. Get a blog ffs.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:00 am Jokes on you, I just posted all of that in order to use a bunch of these: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,, , , , , , , ,, , , , ,, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,, , , , , , , , , ,,

Oh wait

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Just learn to program in Brainfuck already. https://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck

When you are done, you will have internalized the grammar/semantics distinction, you will understand why expressive power matters and you can move on with life.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote:...
Jokes on you, I just posted all of that in order to use a bunch of these: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,, , , , , , , ,, , , , ,, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,, , , , , , , , , ,, ...
:roll: Of course you did.
...

It seems for every machete attack in the UK, ...
Shot any more school kids lately? You strike me as the type.
... followed by some snobbish self righteous speech about intellectual and moral superiority, ...
:lol: Always the cry of the pseudointellectual weeble. Someone in your past did you a big disservice telling you that you had a high IQ as it has led you to be lazy and believe your own narcissistic bullshit. I understand that a higher education is restricted by economic status in America but that just doesn't wash in this day and age as pretty much any subject is available online so there is no excuse for the aspiring intellectual to be so ignorant of the basic grounds of the subject they are pontificating about.
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Arising_uk wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:46 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote:...
Jokes on you, I just posted all of that in order to use a bunch of these: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,, , , , , , , ,, , , , ,, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,, , , , , , , , , ,, ...
:roll: Of course you did.
...

It seems for every machete attack in the UK, ...
Shot any more school kids lately? you strike me as the type.
... followed by some snobbish self righteous speech about intellectual and moral superiority, ...
:lol: Always the cry of the pseudointellectual weeble. Someone in your past did you a big disservice telling you that you had a high IQ as it has led you to be lazy and believe your own narcissistic bullshit. I understand that a higher education is restricted by economic status in America but that just doesn't wash in this day and age as pretty much any subject is available online so there is no excuse for the aspiring intellectual to be so ignorant of the basic grounds of the subject they are pontificating about.
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