bahman wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:02 pm
Age wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 1:55 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 10:19 pm
I think you are mixing understanding by definition.
Why do you think this?
Because we are able to understand the meaning of the word while the definition is incomplete.
Do you think or believe that the meaning of a word is complete while the definition of a word is incomplete?
If yes, then why?
Also, what is the difference between a meaning of a word, and, a definition of a word?
Why are 'you' (do NOT include me) able to understand the meaning of a word but not the definition of a word?
bahman wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:02 pmAge wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 1:55 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 10:19 pm
Let's see, what is the definition of father?
'the' definition is whatever 'you' want it to be.
However, 'a' definition is; the male gender in relation to their child or children.
And what is the definition of a child for example?
The one born after a male and a female have pro-created.
bahman wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:02 pmAs you see, no matter what your definition is one can always ask about the definition of the words you use in definition.
OF COURSE one can do that. You did NOT have to provide an example to SHOW this. This just goes without saying. There are also many things that one can do, if they so wish to.
I could have just done the EXACT SAME thing with your "example" of 'father'. I could have just kept asking you to provide another example of the words you use in your examples. So, what is the difference?
One can also ask, what is the 'meaning' of a word, and for every answer given, that one could keep asking what is the meaning of any word they choose to, and keep doing this for as long as they like or are able to.
But what is your point?
Words still do have a complete definition as well as a complete meaning. That is; if that is what you want them to have, or, if you like you can make the definition AND the meanings of words incomplete, IF that is really what you so wish to. You are free to choose either way.
bahman wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:02 pmThis process at the end is either circular or is incomplete.
And really a very rather ridiculous and stupid thing to do, from my perspective.
EVERY thing eventually has to circle back because this is exactly HOW the Universe works. It circles back onto Its Self, and when you have got to this point and can SEE this, then you will also SEE that that is exactly how It is COMPLETE.
bahman wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:02 pmAge wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 1:55 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 10:19 pm
That is how we understand things.
Again if you speak for 'you' only, instead of for 'you' and 'me', then you will not be as wrong as you are, as often as you are.
Huh?
Double huh?
Do you not understand what, 'Speak for yourself' only means?
If, for example, you use the word 'we', then you are 'trying to' speak for more than just 'you' only. When you do this, then 'you' are 'trying to' speak for what "others" do, and unless you KNOW with absolute certainty what EVERY one does, then what you say will more likely be WRONG, and the more often you do it, then the more often you will be WRONG.
For example, 'I' do NOT understand things the way you say 'we' do. 'I' understand words HAVE a complete definition, so I understand things this way. So, what you said about "how we understand things" and you include 'me' in that 'we', then you are WRONG. Because I understand things differently from the way you are 'trying to' say " 'we' do". But maybe you do NOT include 'me' in that 'we'. We will have to wait and see.
bahman wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:02 pmAge wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 1:55 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 10:19 pm
You cannot possibly have a complete definition for any word since one can always ask for the meaning of the words in the definition of the word.
Let them ask. There is only a finite amount of words anyway.
As I said when the complete (proper and correct) definition for ALL words fit together perfectly to SHOW the real and actual Truth of things, then that is the complete picture of things. When HOW to LOOK AT and SEE the actual and real Truth of things is FULLY understood and KNOWN, then It is ALL complete.
Also, just because one can always ask for the meaning of the words in the definition of a word, then that in no way infers that I can not possibly have a complete definition.
Maybe because you are insistant that it is NOT possible at all to have a 'complete' definition of a word, then you might have a different definition or a different understanding of what the word 'complete' means, so how do you define the word 'complete', or if you do not like to provide definitions, then what example do you have for the word 'complete'?
By complete I mean there is no need for further definition of other words used in the definition.
There is NO need for further definitions of other words you have used here, so, to me, it is complete. So, see it is very easily and very simply done.
When you look for a definition of a word in a dictionary, if you do, there is obviously NO need for further definition of other words used in the definition.
If there was a NEED, then you would obviously still be looking for further definitions.
You are NOT still looking for further definitions of other words.
Therefore, there is NO need, for you, because the definitions AND meanings of words is complete.
bahman wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:02 pm
True. But that doesn't mean that I can provide a complete definition of any word.
So, really are you saying that you can NOT elaborate on nor explain what it is that you are actually saying and meaning?
Also, if you are unable to provide a complete definition of ANY word that you use, then have you heard of a dictionary. I found them very useful in better understanding the words I use.
In fact I found that ALL words actually form a complete circle to describe and define ALL-THERE-IS. This is what helped me to recognize and SEE the actual and real Truth of things. This also helped me in discovering how the Universe, Itself, actually works as well.
The words you use, and especially the definitions and meanings you have behind the words you use, have a much more powerful effect on 'you' then you actually realize yet.
For example, if you say that some thing can NOT happen, (like a complete definition of a word can NOT happen), and you BELIEVE that this is True, then that is what will happen, and conversely, if you say that some thing can be done, and you really BELIEVE that it can be, then that is what will happen. Unless, of course, there are examples to SHOW otherwise.