Is the utterance "I speak" a performative?

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Re: Is the utterance "I speak" a performative?

Post by Impenitent » Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:50 pm

Exan wrote:
Mon Aug 27, 2018 1:43 am
Impenitent wrote:
Sun Aug 26, 2018 9:16 pm

thinking in language... the monological may have dialogical characteristics, but they are not completely similar
Why not? According to the theory of inner speech, developed by Lev Vygotsky, inner speech is the result of the process of interiorization of a child's egocentric speech, which is completely monological. So, in principle, both kinds of speech have the same nature.
monologically, one understands completely the meanings and definitions of the terms one uses

dialogically, there is a difference of interpretation...

I have never seen the color red through your eyes, nor you through mine...

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Re: Is the utterance "I speak" a performative?

Post by Exan » Mon Aug 27, 2018 11:37 pm

Impenitent wrote:
Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:50 pm

monologically, one understands completely the meanings and definitions of the terms one uses

dialogically, there is a difference of interpretation...
Bakhtin wrote:"An essential (constitutive) maker of the utterance is its quality be addressed to someone, its addressivity. This addressee can be an immediate participator-interlocutor in a dialogue, but it can also be an indefinite, unconcrete other in various kinds of monological utterances."
Basically, any monolog is a dialogue.

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Re: Is the utterance "I speak" a performative?

Post by Impenitent » Wed Aug 29, 2018 10:26 pm

"can be" is not "is"

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Re: Is the utterance "I speak" a performative?

Post by Exan » Thu Aug 30, 2018 1:51 pm

Impenitent wrote:
Sun Aug 26, 2018 9:16 pm

thinking in language... the monological may have dialogical characteristics, but they are not completely similar

So, could you explain and elaborate your point?

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Re: Is the utterance "I speak" a performative?

Post by Impenitent » Fri Aug 31, 2018 1:26 am

Exan wrote:
Thu Aug 30, 2018 1:51 pm
Impenitent wrote:
Sun Aug 26, 2018 9:16 pm

thinking in language... the monological may have dialogical characteristics, but they are not completely similar

So, could you explain and elaborate your point?
I did on 8-27 @ 3:50

the things you sense give you your perceptual definitions

no one else senses exactly as you do through your senses

each instance is unique although they may share similar names

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Re: Is the utterance "I speak" a performative?

Post by Exan » Fri Aug 31, 2018 11:58 am

Impenitent wrote:
Fri Aug 31, 2018 1:26 am

the things you sense give you your perceptual definitions

no one else senses exactly as you do through your senses

each instance is unique although they may share similar names

If so, how can we communicate and understand each other?

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Re: Is the utterance "I speak" a performative?

Post by Impenitent » Sun Sep 02, 2018 11:28 pm

Exan wrote:
Fri Aug 31, 2018 11:58 am
Impenitent wrote:
Fri Aug 31, 2018 1:26 am

the things you sense give you your perceptual definitions

no one else senses exactly as you do through your senses

each instance is unique although they may share similar names

If so, how can we communicate and understand each other?
relatively... but we are never speaking of the exact same things...

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Re: Is the utterance "I speak" a performative?

Post by Exan » Mon Sep 03, 2018 12:51 am

Impenitent wrote:
Sun Sep 02, 2018 11:28 pm

we are never speaking of the exact same things...
So, what is your honest opinion about this thread?

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Re: Is the utterance "I speak" a performative?

Post by Impenitent » Mon Sep 03, 2018 1:59 am

Exan wrote:
Mon Sep 03, 2018 12:51 am
Impenitent wrote:
Sun Sep 02, 2018 11:28 pm

we are never speaking of the exact same things...
So, what is your honest opinion about this thread?
what aspect of the thread?

-Imp

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