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So we can ignore the above as being false and a lie. In fact we can ignore everything from you as being false and a lie. Nice.

Bill Wiltrack wrote:.



...um, you're kind-of missing it...


I just said, all thoughts are false. That is true. That remains to be true.


Give it some time - let it sink in for a while, forgettaboutit.


You will see. You will grow.

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Are you suggesting I embrace the animal mind? You tell me to grow. One should not grow in a room full of spikes, lest one burst when one's belly fills the room.

Thought has purpose. See my latest topic.

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We are so ingrained in lies that it is impossible for us to speak the truth.


Even if we want to.

The more you believe in yourself, in your own words, the more blind you become.






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Bill Wiltrack wrote:.



We are so ingrained in lies that it is impossible for us to speak the truth.


Even if we want to.

The more you believe in yourself, in your own words, the more blind you become.






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Kay, so your great truth is a girl knocking herself out with a gun? Is this an advocation of suicide to reach truth at any cost?

It's how Bill likes his women.

Whats the more pressing question for scientists to ask, WHY? or HOW?I would think the first question to be answered is WHAT? That is, a scientist needs to determine WHAT is actually happening, before he moves on to mechanism HOW? or causes WHY?.

Bill Wiltrack wrote:.


Yes. I am no different than any one else.

I am very uncomfortable with the thought that we are alike. Please reassure me that it isn't so.

Circusjaw wrote:Whats the more pressing question for scientists to ask, WHY? or HOW?I would think the first question to be answered is WHAT? That is, a scientist needs to determine WHAT is actually happening, before he moves on to mechanism HOW? or causes WHY?.

What happens is apparent. How is the real question for science, and why has no place in science at all.

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The why things happens motivates the very essence of science.

Science begins with why.

Reason thus ensues.






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Bill Wiltrack wrote:.

The why things happens motivates the very essence of science.
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Don't you mean that it motivates the scientist (or the very scientist, if you prefer). I'm not sure that you can motivate an essence.

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By science I mean the discipline or philosophy of science.


...which exists only in the human mind.


So, yes we are talking about exactly the same thing.








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Bill Wiltrack wrote:.



So, yes we are talking about exactly the same thing.



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I don't know whether or not to believe you. After all, you are a self proclaimed liar.

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Human beings are extremely selfish, stupid, and mean creatures.


Yet we are nothing if not liars.


If humans were to be best described in one word that word would be - liar.



It is said that the ONLY reason we invented language is so that we could lie to each other better.


So that we could look each other square in the face and openly lie and deceive one another.


Indeed, when we are made aware of this fact we feel momentary shame and embarrassment - but then, more often than not, we grab a lie, a stream of thoughts, and cover ourselves.



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Bill Wiltrack wrote:.

Human beings are extremely selfish, stupid, and mean creatures.
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I think all creatures are selfish and stupidity can be interpreted in different ways. I'm not certain what you mean by "mean".

If humans were to be best described in one word that word would be - liar.

You think that is the prime defining attribute of Human Beings?

It is said that the ONLY reason we invented language is so that we could lie to each other better.

Presumably, it was a Human that said this. How do you know he wasn't lying?

Humans are what they are, just like any other creature.

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I think that is the prime defining attribute of Human Beings is liar.

That help?






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