Wyman wrote:But really, Arising and Imp, do you have to be constantly anti-American when someone is obviously expressing no ill will in your direction? Why are the Pilgrims 'our' Pilgrims when there was no U.S.A. until 1776? Are the Indians killed prior to 1776 on your hands and thereafter on ours? Did 'we' bring the slaves here or did Europeans? Does it make any sense to point fingers at this point? I think it's ridiculous.
Not anti-american? It was Mtmynd1 that linked America as a haven for 'our' unwanted Pilgrims and seekers of freedoms and choices. I was just pointing out that these Pilgrims were the Puritans who interfered much in the lives of others in England and that they left because they couldn't do so anymore, so not so much for freedom and choice. Didn't say a word about the Indians but the bulk were killed after your independence I thought?
I thought imp was an American?
Why can't we admire the fortitude and bravery of the U.K. after Hitler invaded France and before he attacked Russia and the U.S. (or his allies) and also give credit to the U.S. for giving up their neutrality (unlike the Swiss and others) prior to being attacked, with lend-lease? ...
One, because the Yank always brings-up the argument of how they saved us, two, because lending money and charging interest upon it is not giving-up neutrality(its making a buck) as American was also dealing with the Nazi and three, he didn't attack the USA, Jap did and America would not have come if they hadn't.
And was Chamberlain's U.K. any better in the sense of being 'happy to trade with the Nazis' after Hitler annexed the Rhineland and Czechoslovakia but before he attacked an ally they had an actual written obligation to defend? You come off as somewhat prejudiced and bitter. I don't think the WWII generation had these prejudices, they were all too busy fighting for survival side by side.
Where do you think I got these prejudices? But I don't have them really as I thought my grandparents a bit harsh on the American, although they never forgave you for rebuilding and harbouring the Nazi and Nip, and I only ever dust them off when listening to another Yank spouting on about the war and the debt we owe, a debt we paid with interest mind you.
Mind you, you made a fair point about trade and treaties and I generally only raise it to the Yank who insists upon the 'we saved you' line when it was only in your self-interest and not the great moral act that the Yank often tries to imply. Its also annoying that the Soviets get ignored as without their 20,000,000 dead I think we'd still be on the beaches.