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[quote=gaffo post_id=514578 time=1624144607 user_id=15438]i offered a nice quick fix to make english spelling confomr with phonitic 3 yrs ago right here - but i'm just a no-body - so though apt and would make english phonetic pr its written form - will never come to be. sadly. ;-/.
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gaffo wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:16 am disagree the function of language is to communicate. per that mandate all languages wer good enough, english won out per histroy - i have a huge problem with its spelling - which is not phonetic enough - and i offered a nice quick fix to make english spelling confomr with phonitic 3 yrs ago right here - but i'm just a no-body - so though apt and would make english phonetic pr its written form - will never come to be. sadly. ;-/.
I'm sorry life is tough. Reality is ruthless and demanding and it's either learn all you can or suffer the consequences. English is a difficult language but the most powerful and useful one. Nothing of real value is easy. If some part of language is difficult, if you're interested in using the best language there is, you just has to make the extra effort to master it, not ask the rest of the world to make it easier for them.

If you don't know anything, what are you going to, "communicate?" Before you can communicate anything, you must know something, know how to think it, know how to choose to communicate, and know how to use language to do it. The fundamental purpose of language is to make it possible for you to have knowledge and to think. Thinking is, after all, essentially communicating with yourself which you cannot do without language, and you cannot do that very well with a poorly understood language.
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disagree the function of language is to communicate. per that mandate all languages wer good enough, english won out per histroy - i have a huge problem with its spelling - which is not phonetic enough - and i offered a nice quick fix to make english spelling confomr with phonitic 3 yrs ago right here - but i'm just a no-body - so though apt and would make english phonetic pr its written form - will never come to be. sadly. ;-/.[/quote]
I'm sorry life is tough. Reality is ruthless and demanding and it's either learn all you can or suffer the consequences. English is a difficult language but the most powerful and useful one. Nothing of real value is easy. If some part of language is difficult, if you're interested in using the best language there is, you just has to make the extra effort to master it, not ask the rest of the world to make it easier for them.

If you don't know anything, what are you going to, "communicate?" Before you can communicate anything, you must know something, know how to think it, know how to choose to communicate, and know how to use language to do it. The fundamental purpose of language is to make it possible for you to have knowledge and to think. Thinking is, after all, essentially communicating with yourself which you cannot do without language, and you cannot do that very well with a poorly understood language.
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Language began with communication and if you remove the communication element it dies with you. Language is All about communication, from it's root and at it's core.
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bahman wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:29 pm
You are not serious. The human population would die if they cannot understand each other through language.
RCSaunders wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:35 pm Ask the next hundred English speakers you know what the eight principles parts of speech are, what a gerund, infinitive, or participle is, what a subject and predicate are, what verb agreement means, what the antecendent of a pronoun is, or what the almost-lost subjunctive mode is? Ask them why almost-lost is hyphenated. Good luck finding even one who can answer those basic questions of their own language.
You are talking about formulating the language. It is nice to know them but people don't need them since they understand what do you mean through the language. They learn the language through conditioning.
Yuu ar not sereus. The human populashon would dii if they canot understand eech other thruu languag.


Asc the next hundred English speecers yuu no wat the aat prinsipls parts of speech ar, wat a gerund, infinitiv, or partisipl is, what a subject and predicat ar, wat vrb agreement meens, wat the anteseendent of a pronoun is, or wat the almost-lost subjunctiv mod is? Asc them whii almost-lost is hiifienated. Guud luc finding even won hoo can anser thos basic questshun of thr oon languag.
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Yuu ar talcing about formulating the languag. It is niis to noo them but peepl don't need them sinse they understand wat do yuu meen thruu the languag. Thaa lrn the languag thruu condishoning.
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Re: solving language

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RCSaunders wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:45 am
gaffo wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:16 am disagree the function of language is to communicate. per that mandate all languages wer good enough, english won out per histroy - i have a huge problem with its spelling - which is not phonetic enough - and i offered a nice quick fix to make english spelling confomr with phonitic 3 yrs ago right here - but i'm just a no-body - so though apt and would make english phonetic pr its written form - will never come to be. sadly. ;-/.
I'm sorry life is tough. Reality is ruthless and demanding and it's either learn all you can or suffer the consequences. English is a difficult language but the most powerful and useful one. Nothing of real value is easy. If some part of language is difficult, if you're interested in using the best language there is, you just has to make the extra effort to master it, not ask the rest of the world to make it easier for them.

If you don't know anything, what are you going to, "communicate?" Before you can communicate anything, you must know something, know how to think it, know how to choose to communicate, and know how to use language to do it. The fundamental purpose of language is to make it possible for you to have knowledge and to think. Thinking is, after all, essentially communicating with yourself which you cannot do without language, and you cannot do that very well with a poorly understood language.

don't be a dick, English is concise and has the largeest vocab, due to history - but Latin is the most efficent(sp) language - per if i had my way we should all be speaking latin. dead (ded) lang yes i know. but it is 20 percent less letter to say the same in english (englsih is more effiecent than the other maninline langueages - so eng is scond).

i just wish englsih were sane per spelling which is its not!

1. remove all silent letters
2 remvoe "k" - c is the same
3. never use "c" when you can use "s"
4 use double vowels (Vouls) for all things

so Kite becomes Ciit.

Cat remains (reeemaans cat.

remove silent letter and force vowels to be be spelled according to phonetics not historical whem(sp)) use two vowels for long form and one for short form. its simple. (simpl)

i and ii

a and aa
etc..............

its simple but i just a slob, and english will just remain insane regardless of sane spelling to make it phonetic - it could become so - but agian i'm just a no-body - so carry on.
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from "is proper spelling important" on this same category (catagoree) - 2 yrs ago:

gaffo wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2019 7:14 am
Ghost wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:59 am My greatest friend spells words phonetically. I realized if I had discarded him as easily as I have others online who can't spell properly I would have missed out on my best friend. I used to see other's spelling mistakes as their lack of intelligence just as I see 'text speak' as laziness/stupidity. Other people may see my own poor grammar or sentence structure as the same.
I have become more forgiving over many years now. I recognize that languages will change as words fall into history and new words are created or change definition. Some people will have dyslexia, some will only be able to spell words phonetically, etc. How important is proper spelling anyways?
There is a quote that is often attributed to both Mark Twain and Thomas Jefferson that is about lacking imagination if only spelling a word one way.
I have Dyslexia - mild thankfully, i loathe English because though it claims to be phonetic, it really is not.

it could! be - and i made a "System" years ago to make it phonetic, but being a no-body, its just a mental fantasy (wish) on my part. If Englsih were re-writen in my "System" English would be truly phonetic. my self made mental fantasy rules for English is quite simple.

1. no silent letters - remove all of them in words that have them.
2. remove the letter "K", it was imported by the Romans from the Greeks and is a foreign letter- identical to "C" in all ways - so remove it, all words with "k" in them shall be respelled with the letter "C"
3. no double consonents! - and so no silly rules about long sounding/short sounding prior vowel letters (the whole "vowel phonetics depends upon a LATTER letter/double letter is dumb! - it breaks "real time phonetics" - one has to see the latter letters in the word in real time in reading the damn word!
4. limit the less used letters to their sole sound - so "Y" only in words with "yu" - not in words where it is used instead of "i" (each letter should have it own sound, so all uses of "y" in cases of words where it is used instead of "i" should be respelled with "i" (etc for all letters! - no duplication allowed).
5. short form phonetics of vowels should be ONE vowel letter, long form should always be Double Vowels! (thus removing the double consonate bullshit, silent letter "e" at end of word bullcrap too.

those five rules fix all spellings.
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in will rewrite the above in proper phonetic English now.

I hav dislexea - mild thancfule, i louth English becus tho it claams to be funetic, it reely is not.

it cud be - and i maad a "sistem" yeers ago to maac it fonetic, but beeing a no-bodi, its just a mental fantasi (wish) on mi part. if English wur ree-ritin in my "sistem" English wud be truuli fonetic. my self maad mental fantasi ruuls for English is quiit simpl.

1. no silent letrs - reemoov al of them in words that hav them.
2. reemoov the letr "K", it wus imported bii the Romans from the Greecs and is a foren letr - indentical to "c" in al wais - so remoov it, al words with "K" in them shal bee respeled with the letr "C"
3. no dubl consunats! - and so no sili ruuls about long sounding/short sounding prior voul letrs (the hool "voul fonetics depends upon a LATR letr/dubl letr is dum! - it braacs "reel tiim fonetics" - won has to see the latr letrs in the words in reel tiim in reeding the dam word!
4. limit the les usd letrs to thair sol sound - so "Y" onli in words with "yu' - not in words whar it is usd insted of "i" (eech letr shud hav it oun sound, so al uses of "Y" in cases of words whar it is usd insted of "I" shud be respeled with "i' (ect for al letrs!) - no duplicashum aloud!
5.short form fonetics of vouls shud be WUN voul letr, long form shud alwais be Dubl Vouls! (thus remooving the dubl consonat boolshit, silent letr "e" at end of word boolcrap too.

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simple example of rule 5:

Kite............Ciit
Kit............Cit
Cat.............Cat

Kate...........Caat

Like...............Liic

Lick...........Lic

Sick............Sic

Bite............Biit

Blight..............Bliit

Sight..............Siit

Hate..............Haat

Hat..........Hat

Fake...........Faac

Fat............Fat

etc..........
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gaffo wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 1:05 am
RCSaunders wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:45 am
gaffo wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:16 am disagree the function of language is to communicate. per that mandate all languages wer good enough, english won out per histroy - i have a huge problem with its spelling - which is not phonetic enough - and i offered a nice quick fix to make english spelling confomr with phonitic 3 yrs ago right here - but i'm just a no-body - so though apt and would make english phonetic pr its written form - will never come to be. sadly. ;-/.
I'm sorry life is tough. Reality is ruthless and demanding and it's either learn all you can or suffer the consequences. English is a difficult language but the most powerful and useful one. Nothing of real value is easy. If some part of language is difficult, if you're interested in using the best language there is, you just has to make the extra effort to master it, not ask the rest of the world to make it easier for them.

If you don't know anything, what are you going to, "communicate?" Before you can communicate anything, you must know something, know how to think it, know how to choose to communicate, and know how to use language to do it. The fundamental purpose of language is to make it possible for you to have knowledge and to think. Thinking is, after all, essentially communicating with yourself which you cannot do without language, and you cannot do that very well with a poorly understood language.
I have a Russian friend who, like you, chafed under the difficulty of some aspects of English. He tried valiantly to make others adopt his improvements. One of those improvements was to replace, "ph," in all words with that spelling with, "f." Philosophy became filosofy, and diaphragm became diafram, and so on. He eventually abandoned his project realizing language is not something anyone decides but the sum of all the choices of individual users of a language. He later confided to me, that when he decided to learn English as it is, with all it's idiosyncrasies, one of the things he discovered was how delightfully rich and interesting the language is, especially learning how all those idiosyncrasies came about, and how much more he was able to appreciate literature and all its subtleties.
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Re: solving language

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RCSaunders wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 1:36 am
gaffo wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 1:05 am
RCSaunders wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:45 am
I'm sorry life is tough. Reality is ruthless and demanding and it's either learn all you can or suffer the consequences. English is a difficult language but the most powerful and useful one. Nothing of real value is easy. If some part of language is difficult, if you're interested in using the best language there is, you just has to make the extra effort to master it, not ask the rest of the world to make it easier for them.

If you don't know anything, what are you going to, "communicate?" Before you can communicate anything, you must know something, know how to think it, know how to choose to communicate, and know how to use language to do it. The fundamental purpose of language is to make it possible for you to have knowledge and to think. Thinking is, after all, essentially communicating with yourself which you cannot do without language, and you cannot do that very well with a poorly understood language.
I have a Russian friend who, like you, chafed under the difficulty of some aspects of English. He tried valiantly to make others adopt his improvements. One of those improvements was to replace, "ph," in all words with that spelling with, "f." Philosophy became filosofy, and diaphragm became diafram, and so on. He eventually abandoned his project realizing language is not something anyone decides but the sum of all the choices of individual users of a language. He later confided to me, that when he decided to learn English as it is, with all it's idiosyncrasies, one of the things he discovered was how delightfully rich and interesting the language is, especially learning how all those idiosyncrasies came about, and how much more he was able to appreciate literature and all its subtleties.
i can relate due to my dyslexia (dislexia)

i like englsih because it borrowed so many words from other languages - so has a huge vocabulary.

and i know and understand its fucked up spellign is due to history and adoption of other foreign (foran) words into.


but being dislexic i do have a love hate relation (relashun) with it.

give my regards to your rushum frend its speling is fuced up.
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gaffo wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 1:43 am
RCSaunders wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 1:36 am
gaffo wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 1:05 am
I have a Russian friend who, like you, chafed under the difficulty of some aspects of English. He tried valiantly to make others adopt his improvements. One of those improvements was to replace, "ph," in all words with that spelling with, "f." Philosophy became filosofy, and diaphragm became diafram, and so on. He eventually abandoned his project realizing language is not something anyone decides but the sum of all the choices of individual users of a language. He later confided to me, that when he decided to learn English as it is, with all it's idiosyncrasies, one of the things he discovered was how delightfully rich and interesting the language is, especially learning how all those idiosyncrasies came about, and how much more he was able to appreciate literature and all its subtleties.
i can relate due to my dyslexia (dislexia)

i like englsih because it borrowed so many words from other languages - so has a huge vocabulary.

and i know and understand its fucked up spellign is due to history and adoption of other foreign (foran) words into.


but being dislexic i do have a love hate relation (relashun) with it.

give my regards to your rushum frend its speling is fuced up.
fuct up. my bad above.
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