Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

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Re: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

Post by seeds » Thu Jun 11, 2020 4:26 pm

Belinda wrote:
Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:00 am
...some people believe it's impossible for themselves or anyone else to control their thoughts in order to choose what to think about.
Yet they were able to control their thoughts long enough to shape them into that self-contradicting belief - a belief made up of thoughts of which they chose to think about.

Some people also believe that the earth is flat.
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Re: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

Post by Sculptor » Thu Jun 11, 2020 5:27 pm

Belinda wrote:
Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:00 am
Sculptor wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2020 5:49 pm
Belinda wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2020 4:06 pm


Yes, but there is also neural connection to the cognitive part of the brain. When someone gets a knee jerk reaction, even if they were blind they would know their knee had jerked.I think.
True, but that happens after its all over. The knee jerks before you are aware.


A little time passes between the effects on nerve endings or organs of special sense, and the cognitive brain. There is no possibility of thought of the event 's happening before the cognitive brain is involved.
Absolutely NO. The reflex is a special case. The nerve impulse only travels to the spinal chord, and the motor response happens there, by the time the brain figures out you have been struck the knee has already jerked.

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Re: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

Post by Belinda » Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:51 pm

Sculptor wrote:
Thu Jun 11, 2020 5:27 pm
Belinda wrote:
Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:00 am
Sculptor wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2020 5:49 pm


True, but that happens after its all over. The knee jerks before you are aware.


A little time passes between the effects on nerve endings or organs of special sense, and the cognitive brain. There is no possibility of thought of the event 's happening before the cognitive brain is involved.
Absolutely NO. The reflex is a special case. The nerve impulse only travels to the spinal chord, and the motor response happens there, by the time the brain figures out you have been struck the knee has already jerked.

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Yes. I thought we had already agreed that and passed on to how the cognitive brain gets to know the knee has jerked.

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Re: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

Post by Sculptor » Fri Jun 12, 2020 11:07 am

Belinda wrote:
Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:51 pm
Sculptor wrote:
Thu Jun 11, 2020 5:27 pm
Belinda wrote:
Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:00 am


A little time passes between the effects on nerve endings or organs of special sense, and the cognitive brain. There is no possibility of thought of the event 's happening before the cognitive brain is involved.
Absolutely NO. The reflex is a special case. The nerve impulse only travels to the spinal chord, and the motor response happens there, by the time the brain figures out you have been struck the knee has already jerked.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-HboN--B8wGc/T ... 00/ub.jpeg
Yes. I thought we had already agreed that and passed on to how the cognitive brain gets to know the knee has jerked.
I was responding the this sentence "There is no possibility of thought of the event 's happening before the cognitive brain is involved."

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Re: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

Post by Belinda » Fri Jun 12, 2020 11:13 am

The reflexive knee jerk is involuntary which means cognition does not cause it.

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Re: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

Post by gaffo » Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:20 pm

yes.

IMO.

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Re: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

Post by Hobbes' Choice » Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:59 pm

RCSaunders wrote:
Fri Apr 17, 2020 5:55 pm
Hobbes' Choice wrote:
Wed Oct 12, 2016 11:25 am
Finally take a look at any pre-talking human baby and tell me it can't think.
It can't think!
Prove it!
So dogs and cats can't think - Is that right?

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Re: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

Post by RCSaunders » Wed Jul 01, 2020 3:56 pm

Hobbes' Choice wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:59 pm
RCSaunders wrote:
Fri Apr 17, 2020 5:55 pm
Hobbes' Choice wrote:
Wed Oct 12, 2016 11:25 am
Finally take a look at any pre-talking human baby and tell me it can't think.
It can't think!
Prove it!
So dogs and cats can't think - Is that right?
What I mean by thinking is the ability to verbally explain, to oneself or others, what one is thinking and what it means. If your dog or cat can explain what it thinks to you, than it can think. So, you can answer your own question.

If you mean something else by thinking, like just anything that goes on in one's consciousness, we do not mean the same thing by thinking.

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