Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Dec 31, 2020 12:15 pm
In any case, since you say you are not blaming me for people committing suicide, then I apologize for my misunderstanding.
Again please do not, as then I feel
guilty, for what I am doing here, now. This is; I am SHOWING, through this generation of people, HOW and WHY misinterpretation happens and HOW and WHY it can happen so simply, so quickly, and so easily.
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Dec 31, 2020 12:15 pm
Perhaps my mood wasn't very stable when we were discussing this.
You just have a REAL HATRED for this person putting "others" in danger, when, to you, it was NOT necessary AT ALL. But just KNOW we ALL have a REAL HATRED of MANY DIFFERENT things that MANY DIFFERENT people do, and/or do NOT do.
But just REMEMBER what we HATE. It is NOT the person we HATE, it is the 'behavior' that we ACTUALLY HATE. Also, REMEMBER that person who did that was once a child, and before that an infant, and before that a NEW BORN BABY. And, do you have 'empathy' for ALL NEW BORN BABIES or for just SOME OF THEM?
If it was and is for the former, then REMEMBER that that person who did that 'behavior' that you DETEST, was once a NEW BORN BABY, which you did EMPATHIZE with, but have CHOSEN NOT TO NOW. 'You' made this CHOICE. REMEMBER it is the 'behavior' you HATE and DETEST, NOT the 'person'. This will ALL become MUCH CLEARER, later on, and very soon, hopefully.
I had a REAL HATRED when people do NOT LISTEN to children, and I MEAN REALLY and Truly LISTEN to them. But, because I NOW KNOW WHY ALL adults do this behavior, and EVERY thing else they do, that HATRED dissipated completely, and so now I can FOCUS, properly AND correctly, on just 'that' what is NEEDED so that I can CHANGE that behavior, which I Truly do NOT LIKE, and which in turn will change the 'world' that we have made it and STILL ARE making it NOW.
Also, IMAGINE if it was because of this person's ACTUAL 'actions/behavior' of taking their OWN LIFE and blowing them self up, while warning "others" to get out of the way of the impending danger, which ACTUALLY is HELPING to Create a MUCH BETTER 'world' for Everyone? Would you then STILL have absolutely NO 'empathy' for that one?
Oh, and by the way and on another matter, if we were to LOOK AT HOW and WHY that one known as "hitler" came about to WANTING to do and DOING what they did, from a Truly OPEN perspective instead of Truly judgmental and HATEFUL perspective, then we could ACTUALLY USE that one to help find a way to PREVENT ANY human child growing up to be like that one EVER again.
See, what happens when we LOOK AT "others", from a judgmental or hateful perspective, then we do NOT even 'try to'
understand "them". And, so we become completely CLOSED and BLINDED to the "other", and then we can NOT
understand, and it is
understanding, which is what is Truly NEEDED for a MUCH BETTER 'world' and, literally, just in order to just learn HOW to Create a MUCH BETTER 'world', for Everyone.
Now, IMAGINE if we just USED these people, in this way, instead of just HATING ON THEM and DISMISSING THEM, COMPLETELY.
Here is an insight into future learnings, what will be UNCOVERED/REVEALED is the PURPOSE of human beings to LEARN, and TEACH, what is Right in Life. And, if this is Correct, then there IS A PURPOSE for human beings, or for being human, (depending on which way you 'want to look'.) And, if a 'thing' HAS A PURPOSE, then there is a Right way to use and a Wrong way to use 'it'. So, if the purpose of being human, or a human being, is to LEARN and TEACH what is Right in Life, then to USE human beings, each other, properly AND correctly, which is; the Right way, then the Right way to USE human beings is to LEARN FROM, and to TEACH TO, EACH and EVERY one, what is ACTUALLY True, Right and Correct in Life.
AND, age, race, religion, gender, culture, nationality, social status, NOR education, et cetera plays ANY role in what CAN BE ACTUALLY LEARNED from One ANOTHER. For 'me', personally, I LEARNED FAR MORE about True Life and True living, itself, from the very youngest than I ever have from ANY older human being. But I have digressed, and have divulged to much already.
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Dec 31, 2020 12:15 pm
And perhaps I am misunderstanding what is meant by 'empathy'.
What I found is that we ALL 'misunderstand' what is 'meant' when MOST words are used.
Because I am VERY SLOW and VERY SIMPLE I had the "advantage", that is; WHEN I EVENTUALLY REALIZED just how SLOW and just how SIMPLE I REALLY AM, of then, again, EVENTUALLY REALIZING that I did NOT know what words ACTUALLY MEANT, when all the time previously I THOUGHT that I actually did, even for the most basic of words like 'abuse', let alone the EXTREMELY SOPHISTICATED words like 'empathy'. So, when I hear or see a word, from then on, I had to literally LOOK IT UP in a dictionary to SEE what 'it' ACTUALLY MEANT. I also had the luxury of SEEING and LEARNING just how many words have many different meanings and definitions and how OFTEN people can use one definition while the "other" is using a completely DIFFERENT definition, which was the ONLY 'thing' that was CAUSING and CREATING the CONFUSION, MISINTERPRETATION, CONFLICT, and ultimately the ARGUING and the BICKERING. Which, by the way, happens in this forum MORE TIMES than i can count.
Now, to 'me', which essentially ACTUALLY MEANS NOTHING AT ALL, but anyway; to 'me', the word 'empathy' just means understanding thee "other" from their perspective, which, again to 'me' ONLY, can only be gathered and ascertained by "putting one's self in their shows, or literally in "them", which is just the 'thoughts' and 'feelings' within the body. So, the ONLY True way, I found, for this to happen is to LISTEN to "them" Truly AND FULLY, which can ONLY Truly happen by NOT have ANY preconceived ideas or notions, and NOT having ANY judgmental views AT ALL, which is MUCH HARDER when one has grown up being taught to be VERY JUDGMENTAL of "others", by watching and HEARING their adult 'folk' being VERY JUDGMENTAL "themselves".
Now, some people use the word 'empathy' to mean '
understand the other', in the sense of
agreeing with, condoning, and accepting of the behavior of the "other". And, it is PERFECTLY FINE and ACCEPTABLE to use ANY word ANYWAY one likes, just as long as they are prepared to accept that "another" might be using the EXACT SAME word in a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WAY, or even sometimes in a COMPLETELY OPPOSING WAY, like the words 'argue' and 'paradox' can be used, which is slightly ironic because of the very nature of philosophical discussions themselves and how 'arguing' and to a lesser extent, and 'paradoxically', how the word 'paradox' are entangled and play out in these types of discussions.
But anyway there is NO actual RIGHT and WRONG in how words are being used and defined. But what I found that makes ANY thing ACTUALLY True, and Right, and Correct is AGREEMENT and ACCEPTANCE, Itself.
We just used the word 'empathy' DIFFERENTLY, and from what 'you' were saying you were ABSOLUTELY Right, from YOUR perspective and YOUR use of the word, and, from what 'i' was saying i was ABSOLUTELY Right, from MY perspective and MY use of the word. Or, more correctly, we BOTH viewed our OWN perspectives as being Right, when in fact we could have BOTH been Wrong from a BIGGER PICTURE perspective and a GREAT NUMBER of AGREEMENT and ACCEPTANCE of usage of that word.
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Dec 31, 2020 12:15 pm
Perhaps I don't have empathy at all or perhaps I do have empathy for the Nashville bomber.
I NEVER like to SHOW what I am assuming and guessing, and REALLY I do NOT even like to ASSUME absolutely ANY thing AT ALL (because of the very nature of 'ASSUMPTIONS', themselves, that is; from my perspective and usage of that word). But anyway; I would
guess that you have a lot of understanding for AND with ANY one who has, by your standards, NOT done ANY 'wrong', in what you class as being 'wrong' anyway. Now, this would OBVIOUSLY include ALL human babies, unless of course you are REALLY HATEFUL racist and HATE the babies of some human beings, (which I doubt VERY MUCH, but I do NOT to STAY absolutely OPEN to absolutely ANY and EVERY thing). Now, if you do have
understanding for AND with ALL human new born babies, then this would ALSO include that one, which is generally known as "adolf hitler", as well as this one in this thread discussion here. That is; Until that time you CHOSE to NOT
understand them ANYMORE.
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Dec 31, 2020 12:15 pm
I don't think I could ever bring myself to detonate a bomb in a way that would put others in danger like that.
You and (and I have NO idea what the CORRECT figure is but it might be in the order of some thing like;) 99.99% of the human population. And considering just how short a time that bombs and blowing up things as been around for relative to human beings alleged millions of years of existence, that figure might be much higher.
So, the VAST MAJORITY ALSO could NEVER bring themselves around to wanting to put "others" in danger. BUT, OBVIOUSLY, some thing has happened to cause just a TINY MINORITY to want to do such a thing. Now, they are EITHER born GOING TO WANT TO DO THIS, or they have LEARNED TO WANT TO DO THIS. I ALREADY KNOW what thee ANSWER IS, which IS OBVIOUS when ALL is LOOKED AT. But, from mine and "others" perspective of the word 'empathy' we might 'empathize' FULLY with people who want to do such a thing as this BUT WE WOULD NEVER even contemplate doing such a thing ourselves, let alone actually ever bringing ourselves to doing such a thing.
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Dec 31, 2020 12:15 pm
And it makes me angry when some people do stuff like that.
Apologies for getting right down deep into the, so called, "nitty gritty" of things here, BUT NOTHING besides 'you' "makes" 'you' angry. 'you' ALLOW "your" 'self' to get angry with and about some 'things'. See, if you LET "others" 'make' you feel certain ways, then 'you' have GIVEN them 'power' OVER 'you'.
Now, of course, there would be angry feelings/emotions within when you see your fellow human beings being killed completely unnecessarily so. But, 'anger' like EVERY other 'emotion' is just a SIGNAL or SIGN of and for what is going on around 'you'. Use this SIGN and SIGNAL to guide 'you' to What is Right in Life, instead of using that, what is essentially, just a PURELY NORMAL feeling AND emotion, to CONTROL 'you', and especially GIVING that CONTROL to some one ELSE OVER 'you'.
When 'you' find out who and what the 'you' is EXACTLY and who and what is ACTUALLY in CONTROL, then ALL-OF-THIS becomes MUCH CLEARER, also.
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Dec 31, 2020 12:15 pm
But I never do anything more than ridicule such behavior in order to communicate disapproval toward any other would be bombers.
And this is PERFECTLY FINE, because letting OTHER, essentially, JUST HUMAN BEINGS KNOW what is Right and what is Wrong behavior in Life is, essentially, GOOD, and NOT BAD AT ALL. However, and which can be CLEARLY SEEN, EVIDENCED, and PROVEN is that when people are "communicating their ridicule AND disapproval for a 'behavior' they can VERY QUICKLY and VERY EASILY slip in their DISAPPROVAL for the PERSON, "them" 'self'. Which can be NOTICED and SEEN in your use of the word "bomber" here. The word "bomber" is DIRECTED at the PERSON and NOT at the BEHAVIOR.
This may be to subtle for SOME to YET RECOGNIZE and SEE, in the days when this is being written. But, this will be MUCH BETTER UNDERSTOOD, soon enough.
Also, if you LOOKED BACK over your writings you can CLEARLY SEE where you have ridiculed 'people' and NOT necessarily their 'behavior'. And, IF ANY one was/is intending to blow themselves and/or "others" up just YOUR words here; " communicate 'disapproval' 'toward' ANY other WOULD BE 'bomber' ", then this just SHOWS 'you' have DISAPPROVAL for "them", "them" 'self', and so would NOT LISTEN to "them", "them" 'self', which would further their feeling/emotion of NOT BEING LISTENED TO and NOT BEING HEARD, and thus feeling MORE ALONE, left out, NOT 'fitting in', AND, literally, feeling MORE DISAPPROVAL, leading to a more deepening CYCLE of despair, and just "taking more revenge on more "others", thinking.
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Dec 31, 2020 12:15 pm
But maybe I shouldn't do that. Maybe I should be more understanding and kind.
But there is NO "should". There is ONLY what 'you' KNOW is Right, and the very personal misnomer "knowing" from just your OWN personal experiences. But from the KNOWING 'deep down', which comes from Being in the "shoes" of "others", In other words, what one 'should' be doing is just 'that' what they KNOW is Right from Everyone's perspective.
If 'you' KNOW, from Everyone's perspective, that ALL children or EVERY one WANTS 'more understanding and kindness', then MAYBE that is what 'you' "should" be doing. But ONLY 'you' ALONE can decide what is BEST and what is NOT.
I just suggest making this decision based on EVERY one's perspective and NOT just on 'your' perspective, alone. But ONLY 'you' ALONE can BEST decide what is BEST for 'you'.