American election.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

One thing for sure: a man who commits treason should not be rewarded for it by being made president. That's pretty obvious.

Politics and fanatically-held religion strangle your intelligence, and replace it with whatever serves you.

Oh? So you think a man who commits treason SHOULD be rewarded for it by being made president?

Not surprised, really.

'Treason'. What a silly, archaic term, beloved by mediaeval royalty, with all kinds of horrible punishments for those found 'guilty' of it.
Surely there can't be any such thing in the 'land of the free' (or is that 'home of the free'?)...

[tillingborn]

It kind of sounds like some of the accusations the Trump law team was making against those counting the votes in Georgia. Someone brought some cases out from under a table or something after all the people overseeing the vote were gone and the assumption was that the people were tampering with the vote. It turned out to be a normal procedure they were doing.

The GOP knows perfectly well that their economic agenda will never win them the popular vote. Taking money from poor people to give to the rich would only get you elected if there were more rich people than poor. The thing is that most money is simply the promise to pay, hence in order for someone to have a lot of money, they need a lot of people who have promised to give it to them. An example is finance deals - someone lets you drive away in a car that you haven't paid for, because you promise to pay more than its retail value. Not only do they have their profit, they have the interest as well. In a nutshell the GOP represents the interests of the car dealer who doesn't want the government to interfere with how much interest he can squeeze; doesn't want any responsibility for quality control, customer service or working conditions and only really wants the government to enforce stringent laws to make sure he gets his money. Since there are more car buyers than dealers, the buyers have to be persuaded to vote for the GOP for some other reason - invading hordes of Mexican rapists, gun control maniacs, Satanic abortionists, paedophile democrats - the sort of day to day concerns that trouble the average American.

I suppose if the expectation is that there are vast conspiracies against Trump then everything looks like some kind of shady behavior. Of course, when you spend your entire presidency shitting all over about half the country with insults on Twitter and other poor behavior I guess paranoia and distrust of those you've been pissing on set in.

Karma, maybe? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Just politics. Donald Trump is simply the GOP without the subtlety. When democrats pushed for voting reform earlier this year Trump said:“The things they had in there were crazy. They had things, levels of voting that if you’d ever agreed to it, you’d never have a Republican elected in this country again.” The GOP has a decision to make. Either it can broaden its appeal which would involve redistributing wealth in ways that would slow down corporate funding and alienate the rabid free marketeers they have courted, or go full on totalitarian. Trump has persuaded quite a lot of people to choose option B. Probably not enough, though; at least for now.

[tillingborn]

References to 'the big guy' are not probable cause for anything.

They are when they are on the laptop of his son, and no other plausible candidates exist for "the big guy." Then it's really concerning evidence, evidence that cries out for investigation. And why wouldn't that be a great idea? After all, if you have confidence Biden's clean, it could only acquit him, and give even more reason to trust him.

If you don't want an investigation, what are you afraid of?

This is a God of the gaps level of argument and the suggestion that I should be afraid of any investigation is just playground taunts. Grow up Immanuel Can.

[Walker]

No, he's being diplomatic, however when no evidence is accepted, neither scientific, rationality, nor the sworn affidavits by hundreds of first-hand witnesses, then there is no basis for diplomacy.

[Walker]

Quote:

PA Republican lawmakers: Analysis finds presidential election numbers don't add up
https://wjactv.com/news/local/pa-republ ... ont-add-up

HARRISBURG, Pa. (WJAC) — A group of Republican lawmakers say they’ve performed an extensive analysis of election day data and they’ve found “troubling” discrepancies.

According to State Rep. Frank Ryan (R-Lebanon), 17 lawmakers sponsored and participated in the analysis.

Ryan, who is a certified public accountant, says they discovered discrepancies between the numbers of total votes counted and total number of voters who voted in the 2020 General Election which is making them question how the results could have been certified by Gov. Tom Wolf and Secretary of the Commonwealth Kathy Boockvar.

According to Ryan, the analysis compared official county election results to the total number of voters who voted Nov. 3, as recorded by the Department of State.

Ryan says they found that 6,962,607 total ballots were reported as being cast, while DoS/SURE system records indicated that only 6,760,230 total voters actually voted.

Among the 6,962,607 total ballots cast, 6,931,060 total votes were counted in the presidential race, including all three candidates on the ballot and write-in candidates, according to Ryan.

He says the difference of 202,377 more votes cast than voters voting, together with the 31,547 over- and under-votes in the presidential race, adds up to a discrepancy of 170,830 votes, which is more than twice the reported statewide difference between Donald Trump and Joe Biden.

Pennsylvania’s election results were certified Nov. 24 and Gov. Wolf issued a certificate of ascertainment of presidential electors stating that Biden received 80,555 more votes than Trump.

The group of lawmakers released the following joint statement:

“We were already concerned with the actions of the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania, the Executive branch, and election officials in certain counties contravening and undermining the Pennsylvania Election Code by eliminating signature verification, postmarks, and due dates while allowing the proliferation of drop boxes with questionable security measures and the unauthorized curing of ballots, as well as the questionable treatment of poll watchers, all of which created wholesale opportunities for irregularities in the 2020 presidential election.”

“However, we are now seeing discrepancies on the retail level which raise even more troubling questions regarding irregularities in the election returns. These findings call into question the accuracy of the SURE system, consistency in the application of the Pennsylvania Election Code from county to county, and the competency of those charged with oversight of elections in our Commonwealth.

“These numbers just don’t add up, and the alleged certification of Pennsylvania’s presidential election results was absolutely premature, unconfirmed, and in error.”

State Rep. Frank Ryan (R-Lebanon) indicated that state legislators sponsoring and participating in the analysis were himself and Reps. Russ Diamond (R-Lebanon), Dave Zimmerman (R-Lancaster), Barb Gleim (R-Cumberland), Stephanie Borowicz (R-Centre/Clinton), Dan Moul (R-Adams), Paul Schemel (R-Franklin), Dawn Keefer (R-York/Cumberland), Eric Nelson (R-Westmoreland), Mike Jones (R-York), Rob Kauffman (R-Franklin), David Maloney (R-Berks), David Rowe (R-Snyder/Union), Kathy Rapp (R-Warren/Crawford/Forest), Daryl Metcalfe (R-Butler), Jim Cox (R-Berks/Lancaster) and Brett Miller (R-Lancaster).

[Lacewing]

HARRISBURG, Pa. (WJAC) — A group of Republican lawmakers say they’ve performed an extensive analysis of election day data and they’ve found “troubling” discrepancies.

Considering how a group of Republican lawmakers have been willing to continually support and push for an agenda of lies despite all logic and rulings to the contrary, who with more than a simple pawn's brain should give a fuck what they're saying now?

[Gary Childress]

Quote:

PA Republican lawmakers: Analysis finds presidential election numbers don't add up
https://wjactv.com/news/local/pa-republ ... ont-add-up

HARRISBURG, Pa. (WJAC) — A group of Republican lawmakers say they’ve performed an extensive analysis of election day data and they’ve found “troubling” discrepancies.

According to State Rep. Frank Ryan (R-Lebanon), 17 lawmakers sponsored and participated in the analysis.

Ryan, who is a certified public accountant, says they discovered discrepancies between the numbers of total votes counted and total number of voters who voted in the 2020 General Election which is making them question how the results could have been certified by Gov. Tom Wolf and Secretary of the Commonwealth Kathy Boockvar.

According to Ryan, the analysis compared official county election results to the total number of voters who voted Nov. 3, as recorded by the Department of State.

Ryan says they found that 6,962,607 total ballots were reported as being cast, while DoS/SURE system records indicated that only 6,760,230 total voters actually voted.

Among the 6,962,607 total ballots cast, 6,931,060 total votes were counted in the presidential race, including all three candidates on the ballot and write-in candidates, according to Ryan.

He says the difference of 202,377 more votes cast than voters voting, together with the 31,547 over- and under-votes in the presidential race, adds up to a discrepancy of 170,830 votes, which is more than twice the reported statewide difference between Donald Trump and Joe Biden.

Pennsylvania’s election results were certified Nov. 24 and Gov. Wolf issued a certificate of ascertainment of presidential electors stating that Biden received 80,555 more votes than Trump.

The group of lawmakers released the following joint statement:

“We were already concerned with the actions of the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania, the Executive branch, and election officials in certain counties contravening and undermining the Pennsylvania Election Code by eliminating signature verification, postmarks, and due dates while allowing the proliferation of drop boxes with questionable security measures and the unauthorized curing of ballots, as well as the questionable treatment of poll watchers, all of which created wholesale opportunities for irregularities in the 2020 presidential election.”

“However, we are now seeing discrepancies on the retail level which raise even more troubling questions regarding irregularities in the election returns. These findings call into question the accuracy of the SURE system, consistency in the application of the Pennsylvania Election Code from county to county, and the competency of those charged with oversight of elections in our Commonwealth.

“These numbers just don’t add up, and the alleged certification of Pennsylvania’s presidential election results was absolutely premature, unconfirmed, and in error.”

State Rep. Frank Ryan (R-Lebanon) indicated that state legislators sponsoring and participating in the analysis were himself and Reps. Russ Diamond (R-Lebanon), Dave Zimmerman (R-Lancaster), Barb Gleim (R-Cumberland), Stephanie Borowicz (R-Centre/Clinton), Dan Moul (R-Adams), Paul Schemel (R-Franklin), Dawn Keefer (R-York/Cumberland), Eric Nelson (R-Westmoreland), Mike Jones (R-York), Rob Kauffman (R-Franklin), David Maloney (R-Berks), David Rowe (R-Snyder/Union), Kathy Rapp (R-Warren/Crawford/Forest), Daryl Metcalfe (R-Butler), Jim Cox (R-Berks/Lancaster) and Brett Miller (R-Lancaster).

I say they just have a second go at the election in Pennsylvania and see who wins, Biden or Trump. Does it even matter who wins at this point? If Biden is in office, we'll probably be playing globo-cop again with the military. If Trump wins we'll be polluting the planet that much more. Neither one is politically worth a shit.

[Immanuel Can]

References to 'the big guy' are not probable cause for anything.

They are when they are on the laptop of his son, and no other plausible candidates exist for "the big guy." Then it's really concerning evidence, evidence that cries out for investigation. And why wouldn't that be a great idea? After all, if you have confidence Biden's clean, it could only acquit him, and give even more reason to trust him.

If you don't want an investigation, what are you afraid of?

This is a God of the gaps level of argument ...

Red herring. Totally irrelevant red herring, as a matter of fact. Nice try.

[Sculptor]

Trump has been a damn embarassment to the US for the last 5 years, and continues to do so.
The baby-man is playing golf and ranting on twitter like a loon, obsructing the government.
He's managed to fleece his supporters to pay off his debts by pretending that the election was stolen. Small print says - half goes to pay off debts.

His mismanagement of the Pandemic is responsible for at least 100,000 Americans. Right now there is a 9/11 every day.

I am a pacifist, and against the death penalty. However, as Americans are good at killing their Presidents, I can think of no greater candidate than Trump to get a bullet in the head.
Let's hope someone kills him because the next four years of him campaigning for the next Presidency would be too much to bear.

[Walker]

HARRISBURG, Pa. (WJAC) — A group of Republican lawmakers say they’ve performed an extensive analysis of election day data and they’ve found “troubling” discrepancies.

Considering how a group of Republican lawmakers have been willing to continually support and push for an agenda of lies despite all logic and rulings to the contrary, who with more than a simple pawn's brain should give a fuck what they're saying now?

Because of the objective evidence.

Duh.

[Walker]

I am a pacifist ...

I don't think that word means what you think it means, despite the weaselly qualifiers.

[tillingborn]

This is a God of the gaps level of argument ...

Red herring. Totally irrelevant red herring, as a matter of fact. Nice try.

Your best argument for investigating Joe Biden, the one based on real factual gold, is that you can't think who else it could be that is mentioned in an email which suggests two people might have met, and did some deal for which one of them, at least, should be put to death. And the only reason that the world doesn't agree with you is that leftist ideologues want Joe Biden in the White House, because as a senile criminal, he will be easy to remove, making way for his radical leftist running mate. You have mentioned a day of judgement; perhaps this is how it starts.

[Immanuel Can]

Your best argument for investigating Joe Biden...is that you can't think who else it could be that is mentioned in an email...

No, my best argument is that the proved-corrupt son of the man who has interfered with foreign justice systems (and bragged about it publicly) has claimed he makes payments to a "big guy" for whom we have no other plausible candidate than Joe Biden. And what I've argued for is not an execution but an investigation to determine the facts of the case, before installing that same individual as president of the most influential democratic nation on the planet.

Seems fair to me.

You have mentioned a day of judgement; perhaps this is how it starts.

That is a thought I have had more than once.

[Lacewing]

HARRISBURG, Pa. (WJAC) — A group of Republican lawmakers say they’ve performed an extensive analysis of election day data and they’ve found “troubling” discrepancies.

Considering how a group of Republican lawmakers have been willing to continually support and push for an agenda of lies despite all logic and rulings to the contrary, who with more than a simple pawn's brain should give a fuck what they're saying now?

Because of the objective evidence.

Duh.

According to ???... and ignoring???... and despite???... AH YES... it's all so clear!!!

[tillingborn]

Your best argument for investigating Joe Biden...is that you can't think who else it could be that is mentioned in an email...

No, my best argument is that the proved-corrupt son of the man who has interfered with foreign justice systems (and bragged about it publicly) has claimed he makes payments to a "big guy" for whom we have no other plausible candidate than Joe Biden. And what I've argued for is not an execution but an investigation to determine the facts of the case, before installing that same individual as president of the most influential democratic nation on the planet.

Seems fair to me.

Would it have been fair to refuse Donald Trump the presidency in 2016, given that there were some people who believed they could uncover corruption by examining his tax returns?
Hunter Biden is under investigation; I am not aware that he has been convicted of corruption and a quick google found nothing to that effect, so I am not sure what you mean by his being "proved-corrupt". Powerful nations routinely set conditions for loans and trade deals, and I assume the bragging you are referring to is the video we have already discussed in which several other western nations imposed exactly the same condition. That neither of us is suitably familiar with the circumstances to posit an alternative "big guy" isn't enough for me to conclude that there couldn't be another candidate.

You have mentioned a day of judgement; perhaps this is how it starts.

That is a thought I have had more than once.

As someone who takes their faith seriously, can I ask how you interpret Judge not, that ye be not judged?