What or Who Are The Jinn? (Goddess Sarasvati Riddle No. 1)

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What or Who Are The Jinn? (Goddess Sarasvati Riddle No. 1)

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[ Goddess Sarasvati ]

The background information you may need to answer this is at:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jinn and

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucket_and_cone

They can't be seen
but they are real;
With hands these things
we cannot feel.


[ Goddess Sarasvati ]

What or who are the jinn?

Luxin says, " If you solve this our hats will be off to you forever ! "

The Beloved
slipped through
the cracks;
The deceiver got stuck.

The best of all true things
Is a true heart.
Without truth no happiness,
though you try
a million tricks.
(Sakhi 64, Kabir)
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Re: What or Who Are The Jinn? (Goddess Sarasvati's Riddle)

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The Jinn is nothing more than perceived negative energies believed to be real. These energies have no more reality or substance to them than the energy experienced during a nightmare appearing in sleep.

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NEW THREAD, Theoretical New Dictionary Definitions of the Noun "Perception" and the Verb "To Perceive"

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Post (first of three with sant Dontaskme) moved to new thread in Philosophy of Language, "Theoretical New Dictionary Definitions of the Noun "Perception" and the Verb "To Perceive""
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Re: What or Who Are The Jinn? (Goddess Sarasvati's Riddle)

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Luxin wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:01 am
They can't be seen
but they are real;
With hands these things
we cannot feel.


[ Goddess Sarasvati ]

What or who are the jinn?
People.
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Re: What or Who Are The Jinn? (Goddess Sarasvati's Riddle)

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Luxin wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:47 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:40 am The Jinn is nothing more than perceived negative energies
believed to be real. These energies have no more reality or
substance to them than the energy experienced during a
nightmare appearing in sleep.





[ Goddess Sarasvati ]

Dear angel, thank you for your response.

Perception is that of the senses including
the sixth sense, mind.

Whatever a sane and healthy person in full
possession of all their natural faculties --
and not high on drugs -- perceives to be
real is real. God/Nature has designed
us so that if we perceive something that
means it's something real, whether it's visible
or not.

A truck one perceives as being close to hitting
one is best not dismissed as unreality. Denying
the evidence of our senses is inadvisable.

I would like to know your concept of perception.
Perhaps then I might understand why you
conceive that something that is perceived may
not actually be real, as indicated in your quote extract,
"perceived negative energies believed to be real."


Philosophy lacks excitement; Reason brings satisfaction; games bring excitement.
There are Reality and games; one may have one, not both. (Goddess Sarasvati)

A perception can be an idea of something that cannot be seen but is thought to exist for real when it doesn’t. In reality, any objective thing that is believed to exist when its nothing more than just an idea of your own making manifesting via the imagination is just an irrational unwarranted fear of something that Is just not there.

For example, if one believes that there is a monster living under their bed which comes out at night to haunt you while you are sleeping..and that this monster really does feel like it actually exists for real in the mind of the believer, because the believer is the one personally creating it, then this is seen as nothing more than the extraordinary power of the believing brain.

A truck on the other hand, is already an object known within the consciousness, and so the truck is an appearance of consciousness that knows cause and effect...consciousness already knows the truck can harm you if it runs over your body, that’s just part of the actual real consequences of cause and effect, known to consciousness via the actual direct experience, unavoidably so.
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Re: What or Who Are The Jinn? (Goddess Sarasvati's Riddle)

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Age wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:57 pm
Luxin wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:01 am
They can't be seen
but they are real;
With hands these things
we cannot feel.


[ Goddess Sarasvati ]

What or who are the jinn?


People.


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[ Goddess Sarasvati ]



Exactly! Ladies and gentlemen of the forum
and guests, stand up and applaud, right now
in front of your computer, as greatness is in our midst!

The honorable Lao Tzu told me not to praise people, but
an exception had to be made for honorable Age.

Sant Age, the hats of Luxin and I are off to you forever!



The superior man speaks truth with the approval
of Self; the inferior man says what others approve of.
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NEW THREAD, Theoretical New Dictionary Definitions of the Noun "Perception" and the Verb "To Perceive"

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Dontaskme wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:59 am A perception can be an idea of something that
cannot be seen but is thought to exist for real
when it doesn’t.

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[ Goddess Sarasvati ]

Hello sant,

I have created a new thread in Philosophy of Language for our exchange (3 posts so far).

The thread title is:

Theoretical New Dictionary Definitions of the Noun "Perception" and the Verb "To Perceive"

I'm finding it most enjoyable -- thank you.



When philosophers go out into the fields of Truth hunting for same, they leave their ego-dogs at home in their cages.

Love is both an inclusive
and an exclusive Virtue;
it's inclusive as it loves
the beauty of Self in all;
and it's exclusive as
Love's love of Self
diminishes the love of self.
In other words,
Self-love diminishes self-love.
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Re: What or Who Are The Jinn? (Goddess Sarasvati's Riddle)

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Reality of Jinn according to the Quran and Hadith - Quran Explorer
Jinn and angels are the supernatural creatures of Almighty Allah. Unlike humans, jinn are the invisible beings, and humans have no such powers to see them, they are invisible to naked human eye.

So the what and who are the Jinn...are Not people.

Probably more likely to be just negative energies...namely, demonic energies that prance around in spirit form, namely, imagined things that do not actually exist except as believed or imagined.
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Re: What or Who Are The Jinn? (Goddess Sarasvati's Riddle)

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Jinn are demigods as mentioned in Quran and other Islamic litrature. But their status is not similar as we think of angels in Christianity but lower than that.

It is said that a jinn has a power of 40 humans and a zinnat has of 40 jinns. Unlike humans, both of jinns and zinnats are made of smokeless blue fire while humans are made of clay and angels of light.

By nature, jinns are considered to be tricky, naughty and wicked by nature but zinnats are humble, wise and Allah fearing. It is said that there was once a time when both of jinns and jinnats were used to live alongside with humans here on earth but during the time of prophet Muhammad they were forbidden from any kind of human interaction. Having said that both of these still live on earth but in a seperate and parrell dimension. They look like humans but have more powers and a very long livespan. According to my knowledge, which is true, jinnats have a livespan of 15 to 20 thousands years. They still have a physical body, takes birth, get old and die too, and have all types of societal interaction like humans.

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Dontaskme wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:01 pm Reality of Jinn according to the Quran and Hadith - Quran Explorer
Jinn and angels are the supernatural creatures of Almighty Allah. Unlike humans, jinn are the invisible beings, and humans have no such powers to see them, they are invisible to naked human eye.

So the what and who are the Jinn...are Not people.
When 'you' are able to SEE thee actual Truth of things, then you will SEE just how 'people', themselves, ARE NOT VISIBLE, and this ARE INVISIBLE beings.

Until then BELIEVE whatever 'you' want to BELIEVE.
Dontaskme wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:01 pm Probably more likely to be just negative energies...namely, demonic energies that prance around in spirit form, namely, imagined things that do not actually exist except as believed or imagined.
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zinnat13 wrote: Thu Sep 24, 2020 1:55 pm Jinn are demigods as mentioned in Quran and other Islamic litrature. But their status is not similar as we think of angels in Christianity but lower than that.

It is said that a jinn has a power of 40 humans and a zinnat has of 40 jinns. Unlike humans, both of jinns and zinnats are made of smokeless blue fire while humans are made of clay and angels of light.
Humans,
Human beings, and
People ARE different things.

Some are visible, while some are NOT.

Thus WHY some are said to be made of some things, while others are made of different things.
zinnat13 wrote: Thu Sep 24, 2020 1:55 pm By nature, jinns are considered to be tricky, naughty and wicked by nature but zinnats are humble, wise and Allah fearing. It is said that there was once a time when both of jinns and jinnats were used to live alongside with humans here on earth but during the time of prophet Muhammad they were forbidden from any kind of human interaction. Having said that both of these still live on earth but in a seperate and parrell dimension. They look like humans but have more powers and a very long livespan. According to my knowledge, which is true, jinnats have a livespan of 15 to 20 thousands years. They still have a physical body, takes birth, get old and die too, and have all types of societal interaction like humans.

With love,
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Age wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:56 am
Dontaskme wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:01 pm Reality of Jinn according to the Quran and Hadith - Quran Explorer
Jinn and angels are the supernatural creatures of Almighty Allah. Unlike humans, jinn are the invisible beings, and humans have no such powers to see them, they are invisible to naked human eye.

So the what and who are the Jinn...are Not people.
When 'you' are able to SEE thee actual Truth of things, then you will SEE just how 'people', themselves, ARE NOT VISIBLE, and this ARE INVISIBLE beings.

Until then BELIEVE whatever 'you' want to BELIEVE.
Dontaskme wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:01 pm Probably more likely to be just negative energies...namely, demonic energies that prance around in spirit form, namely, imagined things that do not actually exist except as believed or imagined.
People are invisible beings according to thee actual truth of things stated here, that a “you” has to SEE...ok then Age, if that’s what you believe, then fine.

But I don’t believe that.
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Re: What or Who Are The Jinn? (Goddess Sarasvati's Riddle)

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Luxin wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:01 am Image


[ Goddess Sarasvati ]

The background information you may need to answer this is at:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jinn and

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucket_and_cone

They can't be seen
but they are real;
With hands these things
we cannot feel.


[ Goddess Sarasvati ]

What or who are the jinn?

Luxin says, " If you solve this our hats will be off to you forever ! "

The Beloved
slipped through
the cracks;
The deceiver got stuck.

The best of all true things
Is a true heart.
Without truth no happiness,
though you try
a million tricks.
(Sakhi 64, Kabir)

There is an spiritual reality different from our universe containing creatures who knows everything. They can manupluate us. This is done by reading our mind and putting thoughts in our minds. It is very difficult to know the truth from false. They are very powerfull.
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Dontaskme wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:19 am
Age wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:56 am
Dontaskme wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:01 pm Reality of Jinn according to the Quran and Hadith - Quran Explorer
Jinn and angels are the supernatural creatures of Almighty Allah. Unlike humans, jinn are the invisible beings, and humans have no such powers to see them, they are invisible to naked human eye.

So the what and who are the Jinn...are Not people.
When 'you' are able to SEE thee actual Truth of things, then you will SEE just how 'people', themselves, ARE NOT VISIBLE, and this ARE INVISIBLE beings.

Until then BELIEVE whatever 'you' want to BELIEVE.
Dontaskme wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:01 pm Probably more likely to be just negative energies...namely, demonic energies that prance around in spirit form, namely, imagined things that do not actually exist except as believed or imagined.
People are invisible beings according to thee actual truth of things stated here, that a “you” has to SEE...ok then Age, if that’s what you believe, then fine.

But I don’t believe that.
Okay, so how do 'you' define the word 'people'?

By the way, I do not believe that also.

And, why did 'you' say; "you" 'has to' SEE? Why the necessary 'has to'?
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Re: What or Who Are The Jinn? (Goddess Sarasvati's Riddle)

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bahman wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:24 pm
Luxin wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:01 am Image


[ Goddess Sarasvati ]

The background information you may need to answer this is at:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jinn and

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucket_and_cone

They can't be seen
but they are real;
With hands these things
we cannot feel.


[ Goddess Sarasvati ]

What or who are the jinn?

Luxin says, " If you solve this our hats will be off to you forever ! "

The Beloved
slipped through
the cracks;
The deceiver got stuck.

The best of all true things
Is a true heart.
Without truth no happiness,
though you try
a million tricks.
(Sakhi 64, Kabir)

There is an spiritual reality different from our universe containing creatures who knows everything.

Who and/or what is the 'our' in "our universe", and, how does this 'thing' supposedly 'own' 'its universe'?

WHY is the 'spiritual reality', supposedly, 'different' from 'the Universe'?

How many 'creatures' are there who 'you' propose know everything?

bahman wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:24 pm They can manupluate us.

Being able to manipulate adult human beings is about one of the easiest and simplest things to do.

bahman wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:24 pm This is done by reading our mind and putting thoughts in our minds.

This completely and utterly WRONG conclusion is a PRIME EXAMPLE of WHY manipulating adult human beings is SO SIMPLE and EASY.

To PROVE HOW and WHY that conclusion is SO WRONG all I have to do is just ask the clarifying questions;
Who and/or what are 'they', which you say can manipulate 'you', human beings, to you?
How many of 'them' exist, to you?
What is the 'mind', to you?
How is 'your' 'mind' read, to you?

Plus there are other clarifying questions, which could be asked.

bahman wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:24 pm It is very difficult to know the truth from false. They are very powerfull.

KNOWING what is actually True from what is actually False is about one of the most simplest and easiest things to do, that is; once you learn HOW TO.
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