Trump: acquitted

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Henry's right.

Western socialism is just Communism advocated by historical amnesiacs.

Yes, because Communist countries have elections,

They do...but you only get to vote for the party candidate. I guess they impeach the others.

free speech,

The Socialists in the US don't want this. Being Collectivists, they call any un-PC speech "hate speech, "and try to stamp it out, using Antifa blackshirts, just like the Nazis used the brownshirts.

freedom of the press,

In the US, the press is an organ of government parties, and the major networks favour one party in particular.

equal rights under the law

Tell the Chinese folks who want to get into Harvard how "equal" it is for them. Ask the men who have lost all say about the disposition of their children how "equal" things are. Ask the poor people who live in Baltimore, Detroit, Chicago, LA, and every other city where the socialists have got their hooks in just how much they're enjoying all that "equality" they're getting.

It's interesting how today's Socialists always want us to forget the entire past of Socialism. They say, "The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics? That wasn't real Socialism." Then, "Maoist China? Not real Socialism." "Cuba? Venezuela? North Korea? Not real Socialism." "Cambodia, Romania, Albania, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria...all not real Socialism..." Apparently, nobody who calls themselves Socialist, and sets out to do Socialism, ever really does...

So where was the "real Socialism?" Where is that country that did it right? Where did Socialism ever produce anything but oppression, economic ruin, inequality, corruption and tyranny? And how did we get so consummately arrogant as to suppose that if all those countries got it wrong, it would be so dead easy for us to get it right, if we had tried?

Can we afford another mistake like all of those? And who will pay for our mistake, when we make it?

I did say we are losing free speech. I have no time for 'hate speech' laws. The US says it has free speech, but does it 'really' when people lose speaking engagements and their livelihoods because they say thing that 'offend' the PCturd lobby?



The reason people say 'that's not 'real' socialism' is because NO ONE actually knows what it is. I can't imagine what kind of society you want to live in exactly.

[Immanuel Can]

The reason people say 'that's not 'real' socialism' is because NO ONE actually knows what it is.

Well, that's not much of a recommendation for Socialism, is it?

We can't say, "Well, we'd like to try a different way of running a country, but no one actually knows what it is," can we?

Add to that that every single government that has even claimed to be Socialist has been economically disastrous, corrupt in administration, and a nightmare for human rights...and what has Socialism got left to recommend it?

Not much, I'm thinking.

The US has this much right: the best we can do is keep government as limited as possible, as subject to checks and balances as possible, and as accountable as possible to the democratic process, because one thing history makes very clear is that consolidated power is instantly used corruptly.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

The reason people say 'that's not 'real' socialism' is because NO ONE actually knows what it is.

Well, that's not much of a recommendation for Socialism, is it?

We can't say, "Well, we'd like to try a different way of running a country, but no one actually knows what it is," can we?

Add to that that every single government that has even claimed to be Socialist has been economically disastrous, corrupt in administration, and a nightmare for human rights...and what has Socialism got left to recommend it?

Not much, I'm thinking.

The US has this much right: the best we can do is keep government as limited as possible, as subject to checks and balances as possible, and as accountable as possible to the democratic process, because one thing history makes very clear is that consolidated power is instantly used corruptly.

True. A 'socialist' country then.

[Immanuel Can]

True. A 'socialist' country then.

No. But a country beset by Socialists, particular in the radical wing of the Democratic Party.

AOC and her pack, for instance, seem utterly unaware of, or unconcerned about, the history of Socialist disasters worldwide. Even Venezuela and Cuba, close at hand as they are, seem to make no impression on them at all. And Crazy Bernie, well, he's full-on, unapologetic Communist sympathizer. That's why knowing some history is more important for US voters right now.

[gaffo]

agreed. Henry is a nitwit.

Henry's right.

Western socialism is just Communism advocated by historical amnesiacs.

Henry is not right per this particular - take my post as you shall - and it seems you have prior (its clear you like tRump - we can talk about why you like him, and would welcome the discussion about him).

per Henry, he knows as much and value as much my Constitution as i do, he's just a nit for backing Rump who does not value my/his constitution.

Henry knows much about the Constitution (we've conversed upon it - and are in agreement with its precepts too!!!!!!!!!!!!) - how he can value it, and still back a retrobate like rump is beyond me.

in spite of his misguided support for Rump, Henry is a true Patriot!!!!! He knows and affirm our Constitution's precepts.

just all wet in supporting a man that does not value that document.

why so? no clue, will have to ask Henry on that count.

[gaffo]

BTW Henry thinks you are a Communist.

Where did I say Hex was a commie?

He's just making up bullshit, since he lost the argument.

You are a Dane!!!!!!!!!

so a commie!

stop being a dick per me Sir.

you are a Dane, so a commie per Henry's view.

[gaffo]

agreed. Henry is a nitwit.

Henry's right.

Western socialism is just Communism advocated by historical amnesiacs.

Yes, because Communist countries have elections, free speech, freedom of the press, high living standards, equal rights under the law.....

I agree that all of that is disappearing, but what YOU want resembles so-called 'communsim' far more than any well run Western democracies do.

yep ;-/.

Kant is better than this particular reply.

He is better than it and knows it.

we all make mistakes, so its ok, Kant has a mind and uses it - though not in this instance - so its ok by me.

[gaffo]

Henry's right.

Western socialism is just Communism advocated by historical amnesiacs.

Yes, because Communist countries have elections,

They do...but you only get to vote for the party candidate. I guess they impeach the others.

free speech,

The Socialists in the US don't want this. Being Collectivists, they call any un-PC speech "hate speech, "and try to stamp it out, using Antifa blackshirts, just like the Nazis used the brownshirts.

I note your mindset above and agree with it. I HATE PC.

but i do not view "socailism" as PC - its about expanding middle class - with the assumption that there is no/or to little (not enough to allow the middle class to expand) trikle down to actually work!!

Bernie is a 70's Democrat - predates PC (his older than dinosours! - yes there was a time in america where there was no PC - and Bern was there int he time and his mindset then is the same as now, he like me is not a PCer).

PC is tribalism - and as you know i reject tribalism, and why i like Book of Jonah.

Bernie like me as a Univeral Humanist.................yes he shows himself to be a Socialist (FDR anyone?) - even more then me................but NO FUCKING WAY HE nor ME are PCers!!!!!!!!!!

PC is SHIT................ I HATE PC - I'm a TALL/ATTRACTIVE/BLOND-WHITE/MALE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - all the t's and i's crossed (got perdy blue eyes too BTW).

As i said i hate PC!!!!!!!!!!!!

i did not earn my race nor my height, nor my looks nor sex!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BUT i though thankful of them - which sadly (I affirm the bias/favor) - those things i was born with has favored me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am a tall/attractive/nordic man - but not an asshole, so thankful per history society has given me an easier road than if it were say a:

short/black/ugly/women/lesbion.

I'm just sayin i know i was born with an abvantage - not a dick in denying that - and that though affirming this advantage, i do not need to do the inverse.

condemn my hieght/looks/sex/race - since i had not say on those things per my birth.

I do not do so! i have no guilt in being born a good looking male nordic, nor for my forfathers slavering 2 centuries prior - i reject inherited sin (as Ezekiel did).

I was born with an advantage, per that i know and am thakful, but have no guilt over - my race/sex/looks/ancensters actions is outside my countrol.

I'm Humble enouhgh to be thankfull of, and to be as good of a person i can be - the same as if i were born a short ugly/black/one legged lesbion

[gaffo]

Crazy Bernie, well, he's full-on, unapologetic Communist sympathizer.

citation welcome per your charge.

per me, i see a man as mayor, and senator akin to FDR. was FDR a Communist crazy?

offer evidence/and think inwardly per your views of Bernie as maybe wrong/biased..............

welcome you showing me that Bernie is a crazy communist (I have no love of Stalin, if the burn is Stalin and the devil, then i'll not vote for him in my state's primary).

I dont see it myself.

instead i see a Carter democrat. but maybe i'm wrong. show me Sir.

[gaffo]

I did say we are losing free speech. I have no time for 'hate speech' laws. The US says it has free speech, but does it 'really' when people lose speaking engagements and their livelihoods because they say thing that 'offend' the PCturd lobby?

agreed

The reason people say 'that's not 'real' socialism' is because NO ONE actually knows what it is.

yep.

clue per "Socialism" per the brain dead.

its not about socialism - Billary is right of Bernie, and more PC. so limitation of free speech. (so Socialims has nothing to do with free speech)

you understand, unlike Kant who has blinders missunderstandings upon the matter.

[gaffo]

The reason people say 'that's not 'real' socialism' is because NO ONE actually knows what it is.

Well, that's not much of a recommendation for Socialism, is it?

We can't say, "Well, we'd like to try a different way of running a country, but no one actually knows what it is," can we?

Add to that that every single government that has even claimed to be Socialist has been economically disastrous, corrupt in administration, and a nightmare for human rights...and what has Socialism got left to recommend it?

so you are saying all the 20 or so Western European Nation - whom are all Soclalist are nightmares of humanity?

anyone here of German/dutch/French/Swed/Noric citizens?

you folks are living in the so called "socialist nighmare" - are you guys in a livng nightmare?

if so school me on the evils of Socialism, if you are ok and doing a-ok clue Kant in on the matter.

[gaffo]

The US has this much right: the best we can do is keep government as limited as possible, as subject to checks and balances as possible, and as accountable as possible to the democratic process, because one thing history makes very clear is that consolidated power is instantly used corruptly.

you are an educated man, so would affirm that FDR was in effect an Socialist, unlike Hoover.

do you think America (my Nation not yours - what nationality are you BTW - big secret i know - canadian IMO - BTW per rule of law of your land the GG have ultimate power, not the PM) was better served by a "communist" Socialist - "democratic socialistis" as Bernie claims himself as - and is an FDR.

my point to you is:

Do you reject Socialism in all cases (so FDR =Stalin, we should have had Hoover relected instead............and loose ww2 lol)

or affirm it in some instances historically?

Ignoring your missunderstading/bias of what socailism is. I think you are a "useful idiot" IMO. indocrinated.

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Rump uses Corporate Welfare to pay off the farmers in the china war..................so those farmers are Welfare Queens,and Rump is a Socialist in this particular....................he./they,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and you ok with welfare queens.............

so you like Bernie is a socialists.

[gaffo]

I note i'm being a dick to you Kant, not because i'm a dick (I am sometimes sadly).

but being so because you are a man with a mind (Job thread - i knew this prior BTW).

Your view per "socialism" are wrong IMO, just a headsup

I welcome dissucusion. just stating your view is the same as Henry's and is wrong generally.

[Immanuel Can]

Your view per "socialism" are wrong IMO, just a headsup

I welcome dissucusion. just stating your view is the same as Henry's and is wrong generally.

Well, I could go through the list of countries people would LIKE to call "socialist," but which only have small sectors of their economy in which any form of "socialism" is evident. But those are all really red herrings, because the main economy in these cases is capitalist. Canada would be an example -- socialized medicine, but capitalist in most respects. Or Norway, financed as it is on oil reserves. Or Denmark. But if anyone actually believes those places are Socialist, then they actually know so little about them there's really no point in getting into it. They should know better.

More interesting are those countries where everyone agrees that Socialism is the main mode of government and economics...places like the the old Soviet Bloc countries, China, North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba, and so on...disasters, every one of them. Economic disasters, but also human rights disasters. Failures on every score, really. And where are they all now? Is there any one of these countries you'd rather live in, than in the very capitalist country in which you presently do live? Which one would you pick?

The body count of Socialist experiments in the last century is over 100 million. So how badly does something have to fail before we realize it was a bad idea in the first place? How could it be worse?

The greatest argument against Socialism is the history of what Socialism has done. Unfortunately, few people know any history nowadays...not even recent history, of the sort Venezuela is experiencing right now.

[gaffo]

Your view per "socialism" are wrong IMO, just a headsup

I welcome dissucusion. just stating your view is the same as Henry's and is wrong generally.

ok let "Talk" Sir.

Well, I could go through the list of countries people would LIKE to call "socialist," but which only have small sectors of their economy in which any form of "socialism" is evident. But those are all really red herrings, because the main economy in these cases is capitalist. Canada would be an example -- socialized medicine, but capitalist in most respects. Or Norway, financed as it is on oil reserves. Or Denmark. But if anyone actually believes those places are Socialist, then they actually know so little about them there's really no point in getting into it. They should know better.

ok, did you note my mention of FDR (and his 3rd cousin Teddy - who was more democratic then todays dems and reichbugs - championing breaking up monopolies - as a Republican!............so Teddy and his 3 cousin FRD were both Communists - one a Repubilcan the other a Democrat.

or both maybe acted rightly for their times and neither were Communists?

discussion welcome.

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lets discuss Bernie. ok? I personally think he reject "trikldown" as working to expand the mddle class.........which has shrunck since Reagon (and why 1/4 of Trumpites voted for Trump - after formerly supporting Berunie in the dem primarities).

Bermie like Trump gave lip service to blue collars...........Trump not genuine, unlike bernie imo.



do you think he is a communist? if so why you think?

you think he has the mind if a thug (like Rumps mind)- or just a naive idiot?

lets discuss bernie's mindest/moral core.

i personally view him as an FDR, yes as socialist as the democrat FDR, but of good character, nor naive.

if you think he is naive but good character - discuss.

if you think he is of evil character and not naive - again discuss.

More interesting are those countries where everyone agrees that Socialism is the main mode of government and economics...places like the the old Soviet Bloc countries, China, North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba, and so on...disasters, every one of them. Economic disasters, but also human rights disasters. Failures on every score, really. And where are they all now? Is there any one of these countries you'd rather live in, than in the very capitalist country in which you presently do live? Which one would you pick?

The body count of Socialist experiments in the last century is over 100 million. So how badly does something have to fail before we realize it was a bad idea in the first place? How could it be worse?

ya shitholes, i agree.

my point is as said before Bernies mindset and mine per the "Socialism" is per Western Europe.

and per that i have nothing agianst. do you if so why so?

The greatest argument against Socialism is the history of what Socialism has done. Unfortunately, few people know any history nowadays...not even recent history, of the sort Venezuela is experiencing right now.

I know much about history and have love of (to have wisdom own has to know history) - and I to value wisdom more than history.

WW2? let talk! had France had the balls to invade Germany while 80 percent of her army was invading Poland in Sept 39, Hilter would have shit a brick and suided for peace while French forces were moving into western Germany (French/Brit Forces equaled German ones - and with 80 oercent of the latter in poland, it would have been a cake walk for the French/english forces to take most of western germany in a month - while Germany/hilter were shitting themselves tied up on Poland).

but as you a i know history, france and england lacked the will to move and take the offensive when it would have ended ww2 before it started.

instead both played ostriche - letting their memories of trench warfare via ww1 rule over reality, and so lost the inshiative, and so we ended up with the "phoney war" and shorty after the conquest of france - No not a surrender!!!!!!!!!! and armatice1!!!!!!!!!! Vichy France mantianed independance (ya sure reich - esp since 44 when Vichy France "dissapeared" - the French "willfull denlial of reality out of national pride" as much to account for the non ostirches) - the french played the same game in mid 50s in nam, and my Americans fell into it in nam.

BTW I commend the Pole (1/2 the army of the French) - who fought against illegal aggression and held out as long as the "not so such" fighting french with twice the armed forces..............

fuck the Frence, similar to the Italians in fighting spirti.....and the former were on our side!!!!!!!!!!!! fl em uttly ussless allies.