Trump: acquitted

[gaffo]

I have infinate respect for the Poles = they got fucked by both sides in 39, then again in 45 by the Russian. but they FOUGHT! unlike the French - who had a navy and army equal to the Germans, but never had the will to use them!

I also have infinate respect for the Soviets - willing to die/fight the German thugs - and would have won WW2 without US even entering it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

no one with sense starts a fight (Napolian anyone? or Hitler to type the obvious) - dont fuck with Russia! they are the shit!

[Immanuel Can]

my point is as said before Bernies mindset and mine per the "Socialism" is per Western Europe.

There is no Socialist state in Western Europe right now. There are, at most, bits of Socialism in some policies.

To see what Socialism does, you always have to look at what it does when it's allowed to do ALL it hopes to do.

Bernie...well...https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/02/ ... ts-to-see/

[gaffo]

though i am a liberal overall, i respect intelligent conversative view.

national review is one of them (David Gurgin!!!!!!!!!!! why did you retire 25 yrs ago!) your nation needs your sound voice!

so thanks for linking to a sound conservative magazine -one i a respect.

so ok Sanders like Cuba/etc in the 80's - my mom like Cuba! and she fear Sanders as too liberal now - a Bidon/Bloomburg type (anything to defeat Trump even if via Bloomberg buying the prez (that idea make me sick, but not my mom - lol).

we all make mistakes.

so you see the "booyman" when you see Sanders, ok, if that what you see - well that what you see.

I do not see that, instead i see a man more liberal than man, but an honest man. and so good enough for me to support.

i do not affirm "trickle down" as reality - refer to the shrinking middle class since 1975 - as long as he and i affirm this reality, i do not care how much farther to the left he is that i - we see the same shrinking middleclass, and so i support him (all other candidates deny the reality of the shrinking middleclass and so by default affirm trickelshitdown bullshit).

thank you for offering a valid link to a valid conservative source, rather than some brightbart shit with nothing of a value.

[gaffo]

give the man a chance - dont pigionhole him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiQosAg1O6o

just hear the man out - even if he is a "socialist" - IMO i think he is genuine (and for me that mean a lot today when any/all say all bullshit to get a vote! - the fact he does not backtrack from "I'm a socialist" means a lot to me).

give the man a chance, you do know that 10 percent of Sanders voters voted to Trump after Billary won the dem primaries.....................that means Sanders does speak for the "forgotten lozers" bluecollers (I'm not a bluecoller, but a lozer whitecoller).

Sanders does offer the populist appeal.

give the man the chance, you do not have to be a "liberal" to support the man, you just have to like the guy and agree with what he has to say Sir!.

[uwot]

When all else fails remember "yo momma sucks" There is no way they can beat that

You keep saying this, Nick_A. Does yo momma actually suck?

You miss the basic law of meaningless attack. It is recorded in Alinsky" rules for radicals. Where the other person's mother sucks, it is the height of prejudice and anything else ending in ing to assume your mother sucks. Get with the times.

I see. Sorry to hear that you think yo momma really does suck.

[Immanuel Can]

thank you for offering a valid link to a valid conservative source,

You're welcome.

By the way, I've been to Cuba. I think every person who is tempted to think Socialism is a good idea should go to Cuba, and have a look at what goes on there. It would give them a world of perspective. Then they should drop by Venezuela on their way home, just to seal the deal.

[FlashDangerpants]

The last time he got away with something, he instantly went out and did something worse. Now he's got away with that too, how likely is it that he isn't just going to seek more foreign intervention in the election? He hasn't even had the sense to ditch Giuliani, that loon is a liability,

Gooliani is not a liability in Myanmar, nor in any other nation where the Rule of Law and its related institutions no longer function.

and yes America is now at that point in time.

so Gooli can just be Gooli and its no biggie, he will not be checked, and instead just be him and serve his master effectively - in full daylight.

but its ok - "it can never happen in America!" for we are different than those other shithole nations, for we are Americans dammit, and it cant happen here!

right? reich?

I wouldn't go that far. But the reality is that there will be a problem for whoever is the next president. One thing trump has definitely done is change the scope of checks and balances and behavioural norms within the seperate-but-equal state they have over there. It's been quite an eye-opener.

The founders had some notion that a strong congress and judiciary would make it impossible to ever have a single over-powerful megalomaniac president. And I really thought they were probably right. But the actual policing of all that has, it turns out, always relied on traditions and norms, and if a president doesn't respect those - especially I suppose one who campaigned on a platform of not respecting them - then a lot of them are quite disposable in practice.

Some of what has happened in the last couple of years, especially the stuff about broad claims of massive immunity from scrutiny, and all this loyalty to the president == loyalty to the nation stuff ... that will need to be addressed by the next president and congress. Some shit needs formalising about how to catch this sort of behaviour sooner, and do something about it. I hope they don't just make it the law that candidates have to publish their tax records and pat themselves on the back for a job well done. Problem is, I can't see Bernie volunteering to relinquish powers that Trump illegitimately acquired for the presidency. I worry that he is more liable to say the last guy got away with this so it's my turn now.

It really does look like the time has come for not just America, but all democracies to start looking at open government as just a fucking necessity no matter how ugly the short term fallout for incumbents. I wish Biden or Mayor Pete or somebody would just get on with it and make that sort of reform their central policy.

[Immanuel Can]

I wish Biden or Mayor Pete or somebody would just get on with it and make that sort of reform their central policy.

You're getting Bernie.

Then you're getting pasted.

[FlashDangerpants]

I wish Biden or Mayor Pete or somebody would just get on with it and make that sort of reform their central policy.

You're getting Bernie.

Then you're getting pasted.

I'm not American, and I'm not a Democrat. I am a British Neoliberal, erm, neo-classical-neo-liberal I think I called it last time.

I would totally take Bernie over Trump through.

Boris is punishment enough for my sins.

[Immanuel Can]

I would totally take Bernie over Trump through.

The Americans won't. That's pretty obvious. It doesn't look like there's even a Democrat candidate that could give him a run for his money.

As for Boris, I have to agree. Nigel Farage should be PM.

[gaffo]

thank you for offering a valid link to a valid conservative source,

You're welcome.

By the way, I've been to Cuba. I think every person who is tempted to think Socialism is a good idea should go to Cuba, and have a look at what goes on there. It would give them a world of perspective. Then they should drop by Venezuela on their way home, just to seal the deal.

I've never been to Cuba myself. You have! so tell me of your observations of that land.

- so you may be Canadian afterall . you can buy their cigars too!

[gaffo]

The last time he got away with something, he instantly went out and did something worse. Now he's got away with that too, how likely is it that he isn't just going to seek more foreign intervention in the election? He hasn't even had the sense to ditch Giuliani, that loon is a liability,

Gooliani is not a liability in Myanmar, nor in any other nation where the Rule of Law and its related institutions no longer function.

and yes America is now at that point in time.

so Gooli can just be Gooli and its no biggie, he will not be checked, and instead just be him and serve his master effectively - in full daylight.

but its ok - "it can never happen in America!" for we are different than those other shithole nations, for we are Americans dammit, and it cant happen here!

right? reich?

I wouldn't go that far. But the reality is that there will be a problem for whoever is the next president. One thing trump has definitely done is change the scope of checks and balances and behavioural norms within the seperate-but-equal state they have over there. It's been quite an eye-opener.

The founders had some notion that a strong congress and judiciary would make it impossible to ever have a single over-powerful megalomaniac president. And I really thought they were probably right. But the actual policing of all that has, it turns out, always relied on traditions and norms, and if a president doesn't respect those - especially I suppose one who campaigned on a platform of not respecting them - then a lot of them are quite disposable in practice.

Some of what has happened in the last couple of years, especially the stuff about broad claims of massive immunity from scrutiny, and all this loyalty to the president == loyalty to the nation stuff ... that will need to be addressed by the next president and congress. Some shit needs formalising about how to catch this sort of behaviour sooner, and do something about it. I hope they don't just make it the law that candidates have to publish their tax records and pat themselves on the back for a job well done. Problem is, I can't see Bernie volunteering to relinquish powers that Trump illegitimately acquired for the presidency. I worry that he is more liable to say the last guy got away with this so it's my turn now.

per Bernie - assuming he is the next president, will do so and use executive orders to make his will (He has said this much in interviews BTW) - as Trump has done, and Obama prior - BTW the first pres to use executive orders to make his will outside of congre$$ was Bush Jr..........and the latter presidents only did what he did prior (Jrs rule - with the illegal Iragnam war) did much damage to my Nation's Rule of Law (more than most thing i suspect).

per my Founding Father's views of the balances of powers - I think thier view as that Congre$$ was the supreme power (power to make war/etc (that has not been the case since ww2 of course!), the the Preisdent was second and the Judiarcy was a distant third.

their error was not knowing of political parties forming which would support a president (i.e. a congre$$ of the same party as the pres - so no longer an independant body, but an enalber of the pres of the same party).

and similarly i do not think the Founding Father's took note of SC justice like Marshal, who elevated the Judicairy to an equal 1/3 of the other two bodies (for good for bad - I'm ok with that, others may not be, and that fine).


thanks for thoughtfull reply Sir.

[henry quirk]

per my Founding Father's views of the balances of powers - I think thier view as that Congre$$ was the supreme power (power to make war/etc (that has not been the case since ww2 of course!), the the Preisdent was second and the Judiarcy was a distant third.

I always took the Executive and Legislative branches as eternally locked against one another with the Judiciary as the tie-breaker (or, on those occasions when Executive and Legislative were in lock-step, the line in the sand that sez, nope, no further on behalf of the citizenry).

In the same way: the House of Reps and the Senate are set against each other (the House catering to the passions of the moment, the Senate balancing those passions with common sense and deliberation). The People, of course, in this scheme, when House and Senate are playin' cozy, are the ones to draw the line, sayin', nope, no further.

[Immanuel Can]

I've never been to Cuba myself. You have! so tell me of your observations of that land.

Well, what you notice immediately is that everybody essentially lives at a similar level...a very low level. Not starvation, but not a lot better. Everything's dirty and run-down...even Havana itself. All the cars are old and cobbled together. The cement is falling off the buildings. The beaches are beautiful. But just about nothing else really is. But the people think they're doing about as well as they could, because the government does all it can to keep them from realizing otherwise.

And there's no real industry, since the sugar plantations closed. You're not allowed to own a boat, unless you are tied closely to the government, because they know you're likely to take it about 90 miles north, one way, and jump off in Key West. You're not allowed to start many businesses, so there's a large black market...but most of the available goods are not what North Americans would call worth having. Running a business there is nearly impossible, because the government interference will get you, if the sense of entitlement of the workers doesn't kill your business, in itself.

There's no beef to be had, at all. In fact, it's a criminal offence to slaughter a cow. There's a little pork, and some chicken...not of great quality. A dozen eggs...very hard to come by. The cooking is low on spices and flavour. There are two brands of beer in the whole island, both from the same brewery. And, of course, there's rum. Theft is a serious issue. The justice system is horrible, and jails are wretched.

And you notice that people are desperate for a job in the tourist industry, where many work 36 hour shifts, with no sleep...because people who work in that industry get some scraps of crappy food left over from the tourists, and a little more access to money than people who don't work near tourists. So you can't afford to lose a job in the tourist zones, and the government can make you work as long and hard as they want, and you can do absolutely nothing about it.

There are no supplies of basic things. Medicine is in short supply. Equipment is poor or unavailable. Refrigerators, tractors, cars, air conditioners...all very hard to get, with waiting lists years long. Nothing is in abundance.

Nowadays, they have a gasoline shortage, since they relied on Venezuela, another badly mismanaged socialist economy that has collapsed. So you can imagine how many problems that causes...no generator fuel, nothing to power cars or motorbikes, and so on.

I've been in quite a few worse countries, where poverty is really grinding and miserable. But Cuba, at its best, is one level above that, and several levels below the poverty level in North America. There's misery, but in Cuba, it's pretty equally distributed in the general rural population. In other poor countries, it's more unequal -- some people in poverty and misery, and some richer. But then, many of those countries have a base poverty level well above the normal living level of Cuba. And in Cuba, there's very little evidence of any wealth at all.

[henry quirk]

I've never been to Cuba myself. You have! so tell me of your observations of that land.

Well, what you notice immediately is that everybody essentially lives at a similar level...a very low level. Not starvation, but not a lot better. Everything's dirty and run-down...even Havana itself. All the cars are old and cobbled together. The cement is falling off the buildings. The beaches are beautiful. But just about nothing else really is. But the people think they're doing about as well as they could, because the government does all it can to keep them from realizing otherwise.

And there's no real industry, since the sugar plantations closed. You're not allowed to own a boat, unless you are tied closely to the government, because they know you're likely to take it about 90 miles north, one way, and jump off in Key West. You're not allowed to start many businesses, so there's a large black market...but most of the available goods are not what North Americans would call worth having. Running a business there is nearly impossible, because the government interference will get you, if the sense of entitlement of the workers doesn't kill your business, in itself.

There's no beef to be had, at all. In fact, it's a criminal offence to slaughter a cow. There's a little pork, and some chicken...not of great quality. A dozen eggs...very hard to come by. The cooking is low on spices and flavour. There are two brands of beer in the whole island, both from the same brewery. And, of course, there's rum. Theft is a serious issue. The justice system is horrible, and jails are wretched.

And you notice that people are desperate for a job in the tourist industry, where many work 36 hour shifts, with no sleep...because people who work in that industry get some scraps of crappy food left over from the tourists, and a little more access to money than people who don't work near tourists. So you can't afford to lose a job in the tourist zones, and the government can make you work as long and hard as they want, and you can do absolutely nothing about it.

There are no supplies of basic things. Medicine is in short supply. Equipment is poor or unavailable. Refrigerators, tractors, cars, air conditioners...all very hard to get, with waiting lists years long. Nothing is in abundance.

Nowadays, they have a gasoline shortage, since they relied on Venezuela, another badly mismanaged socialist economy that has collapsed. So you can imagine how many problems that causes...no generator fuel, nothing to power cars or motorbikes, and so on.

I've been in quite a few worse countries, where poverty is really grinding and miserable. But Cuba, at its best, is one level above that, and several levels below the poverty level in North America. There's misery, but in Cuba, it's pretty equally distributed in the general rural population. In other poor countries, it's more unequal -- some people in poverty and misery, and some richer. But then, many of those countries have a base poverty level well above the normal living level of Cuba. And in Cuba, there's very little evidence of any wealth at all.

Bernie Land.