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Now he can grow a beard and fire his barber.
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iambiguous
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Howard Zinn
How can you have a war on terrorism when war itself is terrorism?
Call it something else?
I'm worried that students will take their obedient place in society and look to become successful cogs in the wheel - let the wheel spin them around as it wants without taking a look at what they're doing. I'm concerned that students not become passive acceptors of the official doctrine that's handed down to them from the White House, the media, textbooks, teachers and preachers.
Believe it or not, some are still concerned about that.
Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience.
Seig Heil to that.
Protest beyond the law is not a departure from democracy; it is absolutely essential to it.
And only they, not us, can take that too far.
History is important. If you don't know history it is as if you were born yesterday. And if you were born yesterday, anybody up there in a position of power can tell you anything, and you have no way of checking up on it.
Basically, you're born a pinhead.
The challenge remains. On the other side are formidable forces: money, political power, the major media. On our side are the people of the world and a power greater than money or weapons: the truth.
How can you have a war on terrorism when war itself is terrorism?
Call it something else?
I'm worried that students will take their obedient place in society and look to become successful cogs in the wheel - let the wheel spin them around as it wants without taking a look at what they're doing. I'm concerned that students not become passive acceptors of the official doctrine that's handed down to them from the White House, the media, textbooks, teachers and preachers.
Believe it or not, some are still concerned about that.
Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience.
Seig Heil to that.
Protest beyond the law is not a departure from democracy; it is absolutely essential to it.
And only they, not us, can take that too far.
History is important. If you don't know history it is as if you were born yesterday. And if you were born yesterday, anybody up there in a position of power can tell you anything, and you have no way of checking up on it.
Basically, you're born a pinhead.
The challenge remains. On the other side are formidable forces: money, political power, the major media. On our side are the people of the world and a power greater than money or weapons: the truth.
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promethean75
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"To know and acknowledge essences alone and nothing but essences, that is religion; its realm is a realm of essences, spooks, and ghosts.
The longing to make the spook comprehensible, or to realize non-sense, has brought about a corporeal ghost, a ghost or spirit with a real body, an embodied ghost. How the strongest and most talented Christians have tortured themselves to get a conception of this ghostly apparition! But there always remained the contradiction of two natures, the divine and human, the ghostly and sensual; there remained the most wondrous spook, a thing that was not a thing. Never yet was a ghost more soul torturing, and no shaman, who pricks himself to raving fury and nerve-lacerating cramps to conjure a ghost, can endure such soul-torment as Christians suffered from that most incomprehensible ghost.
But through Christ the truth of the matter had at the same time come to light, that the veritable spirit or ghost is – man. The corporeal or embodied spirit is just man; he himself is the ghostly being and at the same time the being’s appearance and existence. Henceforth man no longer, in typical cases, shudders at ghosts outside him, but at himself; he is terrified at himself. In the depth of his breast dwells the spirit of sin; even the faintest thought (and this is itself a spirit, you know) may be a devil, etc. – The ghost has put on a body, God has become man, but now man is himself the gruesome spook which he seeks to get back of, to exorcise, to fathom, to bring to reality and to speech; man is – spirit. What matter if the body wither, if only the spirit is saved? Everything rests on the spirit, and the spirit’s or “soul’s” welfare becomes the exclusive goal. Man has become to himself a ghost, an uncanny spook, to which there is even assigned a distinct seat in the body (dispute over the seat of the soul, whether in the head, etc.)." - Maximum Stirner
Long story, but he's speaking of the same phenomena Nietzsche wrote about later. The devaluation of the transitory world of appearances in philosophy (as platonism), and in religion (as Christianity). This wuz the very first elaborate superspook to ever exist. Sumerians and Egyptians of course had their world of 'essences' and 'gods', but nothing of the mathematical, logical and philosophical complexity of platonism, neo-platonism and the scholastic philosophies that exist today.
"By bringing the essence into prominence one degrades the hitherto misapprehended appearance to a bare semblance, a deception. The essence of the world, so attractive and splendid, is for him who looks to the bottom of it – emptiness; emptiness is = world’s essence (world’s doings). Now, he who is religious does not occupy himself with the deceitful semblance, with the empty appearances, but looks upon the essence, and in the essence has – the truth." - Maximum Stirner
The longing to make the spook comprehensible, or to realize non-sense, has brought about a corporeal ghost, a ghost or spirit with a real body, an embodied ghost. How the strongest and most talented Christians have tortured themselves to get a conception of this ghostly apparition! But there always remained the contradiction of two natures, the divine and human, the ghostly and sensual; there remained the most wondrous spook, a thing that was not a thing. Never yet was a ghost more soul torturing, and no shaman, who pricks himself to raving fury and nerve-lacerating cramps to conjure a ghost, can endure such soul-torment as Christians suffered from that most incomprehensible ghost.
But through Christ the truth of the matter had at the same time come to light, that the veritable spirit or ghost is – man. The corporeal or embodied spirit is just man; he himself is the ghostly being and at the same time the being’s appearance and existence. Henceforth man no longer, in typical cases, shudders at ghosts outside him, but at himself; he is terrified at himself. In the depth of his breast dwells the spirit of sin; even the faintest thought (and this is itself a spirit, you know) may be a devil, etc. – The ghost has put on a body, God has become man, but now man is himself the gruesome spook which he seeks to get back of, to exorcise, to fathom, to bring to reality and to speech; man is – spirit. What matter if the body wither, if only the spirit is saved? Everything rests on the spirit, and the spirit’s or “soul’s” welfare becomes the exclusive goal. Man has become to himself a ghost, an uncanny spook, to which there is even assigned a distinct seat in the body (dispute over the seat of the soul, whether in the head, etc.)." - Maximum Stirner
Long story, but he's speaking of the same phenomena Nietzsche wrote about later. The devaluation of the transitory world of appearances in philosophy (as platonism), and in religion (as Christianity). This wuz the very first elaborate superspook to ever exist. Sumerians and Egyptians of course had their world of 'essences' and 'gods', but nothing of the mathematical, logical and philosophical complexity of platonism, neo-platonism and the scholastic philosophies that exist today.
"By bringing the essence into prominence one degrades the hitherto misapprehended appearance to a bare semblance, a deception. The essence of the world, so attractive and splendid, is for him who looks to the bottom of it – emptiness; emptiness is = world’s essence (world’s doings). Now, he who is religious does not occupy himself with the deceitful semblance, with the empty appearances, but looks upon the essence, and in the essence has – the truth." - Maximum Stirner
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iambiguous
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Emile M. Cioran
I cannot contribute anything to this world because I only have one method: agony.
With any luck, theirs more than yours.
In every man sleeps a prophet, and when he wakes there is a little more evil in the world.
Or, sure, what some call good.
My mission is to see things as they are. Exactly contrary of a mission.
To some of us, this actually makes sense.
Truths begin by a conflict with the police - and end by calling them in.
You know, being pragmatic.
Far from diminishing the appetite for power, suffering exasperates it.
In a word: revenge.
We change ideas like neckties.
Let's pin down what that explains.
I cannot contribute anything to this world because I only have one method: agony.
With any luck, theirs more than yours.
In every man sleeps a prophet, and when he wakes there is a little more evil in the world.
Or, sure, what some call good.
My mission is to see things as they are. Exactly contrary of a mission.
To some of us, this actually makes sense.
Truths begin by a conflict with the police - and end by calling them in.
You know, being pragmatic.
Far from diminishing the appetite for power, suffering exasperates it.
In a word: revenge.
We change ideas like neckties.
Let's pin down what that explains.
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iambiguous
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Banksy
I don't believe in anything. I'm just here for the violence.
That's still going around.
People are taking the piss out of you everyday. They butt into your life, take a cheap shot at you and then disappear. They leer at you from tall buildings and make you feel small. They make flippant comments from buses that imply you’re not sexy enough and that all the fun is happening somewhere else. They are on TV making your girlfriend feel inadequate. They have access to the most sophisticated technology the world has ever seen and they bully you with it. They are The Advertisers and they are laughing at you. You, however, are forbidden to touch them. Trademarks, intellectual property rights and copyright law mean advertisers can say what they like wherever they like with total impunity. Fuck that. Any advert in a public space that gives you no choice whether you see it or not is yours. It’s yours to take, re-arrange and re-use. You can do whatever you like with it. Asking for permission is like asking to keep a rock someone just threw at your head. You owe the companies nothing. Less than nothing, you especially don’t owe them any courtesy. They owe you. They have re-arranged the world to put themselves in front of you. They never asked for your permission, don’t even start asking for theirs.
That sound you hear is Ayn Rand spinning in her grave.
I need someone to protect me from all the measures they take in order to protect me.
This can get tricky.
One Original Thought is worth 1000 Meaningless Quotes.
Anyone here ever had one?
Some people represent authority without ever possessing any of their own.
Ah, the pinheads in Trumpworld!
At this time of year it's easy to forget the true meaning of Christianity --- the lies, the corruption, the abuse.
Or, sure, all year round.
I don't believe in anything. I'm just here for the violence.
That's still going around.
People are taking the piss out of you everyday. They butt into your life, take a cheap shot at you and then disappear. They leer at you from tall buildings and make you feel small. They make flippant comments from buses that imply you’re not sexy enough and that all the fun is happening somewhere else. They are on TV making your girlfriend feel inadequate. They have access to the most sophisticated technology the world has ever seen and they bully you with it. They are The Advertisers and they are laughing at you. You, however, are forbidden to touch them. Trademarks, intellectual property rights and copyright law mean advertisers can say what they like wherever they like with total impunity. Fuck that. Any advert in a public space that gives you no choice whether you see it or not is yours. It’s yours to take, re-arrange and re-use. You can do whatever you like with it. Asking for permission is like asking to keep a rock someone just threw at your head. You owe the companies nothing. Less than nothing, you especially don’t owe them any courtesy. They owe you. They have re-arranged the world to put themselves in front of you. They never asked for your permission, don’t even start asking for theirs.
That sound you hear is Ayn Rand spinning in her grave.
I need someone to protect me from all the measures they take in order to protect me.
This can get tricky.
One Original Thought is worth 1000 Meaningless Quotes.
Anyone here ever had one?
Some people represent authority without ever possessing any of their own.
Ah, the pinheads in Trumpworld!
At this time of year it's easy to forget the true meaning of Christianity --- the lies, the corruption, the abuse.
Or, sure, all year round.
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As Plato said, and it is true, names, words in of themselves have no meaning. Grammar systems manage memory, and memory constructs produce behavior. Myths and Quotes are only useful for self-motivation, the meaning you give them, is the meaning that keeps you motivated, it is not any particular set of words, from quotes to myths. The underlying truth, is that words are used to construct grammar systems to manage memory. If you cannot learn literacy, you really don't and cannot make sense out of perceptions, virtualized as memory, nor produce consistent life supporting behavior.
Quotes and Myths help you keep faith that it will eventually all make sense because you have become literate enough to make it.
Plato's character Socrates tells you outright, no sensible person believes in the myths, but they are sensible enough to use them for self-motivation. In short, metaphor, because it is algebraic and can be made complex, is used for effective modification of behavior.
Good myths, excellent myths, are, like in the Bible, that resolve to biological fact. Plato was not on that level, but the author/authors of the Bible, were clearly so.
People become terrified when they cannot, transcend from myth to fact, after all, the myth keeps them sane, it is a very hard transition, if it is possible. But we are evolving to use grammar in all its applications. How many can do it, remains to be seen.
Quotes and Myths can be used two ways, as one's lifeline, and, learning metaphor, drawing the lines of correspondence between terms, Plato demonstrated it, the algebra of it A is to B as C is to D, A/B = C/D. The equality cannot be seen when the terms involved a key to the maintenance of a person's own psychology. So, when one is looking for bright people, like I am looking here, I have to use the foe list a lot more than normal. The more complex the metaphor, the larger the algebraic equation. This is why, whoever had it, the Bible, written, set a mark in the sand, when mankind would be considered intelligent enough to comprehend the Book, or Bible. Aristotle mentions this fact about metaphor, having to maintain the corresponding elements, but was not the least bit good at exampling it. Plato used it quite well.
Aristotle was torn between the tradition concerning the meaning of the elements, one, as fire, earth, air, water, i.e. the perceptible, and Socrates, Noun and Verb, based on the intelligible definiton of a thing. Aristotle was confused about it, but Plato mastered it. Aristotle had a phenomenal memory, but not too bright in how to use that memory.
The Bible multi layers metaphor. Seeing if you can distinguish the perceptible in a story from the intelligible all the time.
Quotes and Myths help you keep faith that it will eventually all make sense because you have become literate enough to make it.
Plato's character Socrates tells you outright, no sensible person believes in the myths, but they are sensible enough to use them for self-motivation. In short, metaphor, because it is algebraic and can be made complex, is used for effective modification of behavior.
Good myths, excellent myths, are, like in the Bible, that resolve to biological fact. Plato was not on that level, but the author/authors of the Bible, were clearly so.
People become terrified when they cannot, transcend from myth to fact, after all, the myth keeps them sane, it is a very hard transition, if it is possible. But we are evolving to use grammar in all its applications. How many can do it, remains to be seen.
Quotes and Myths can be used two ways, as one's lifeline, and, learning metaphor, drawing the lines of correspondence between terms, Plato demonstrated it, the algebra of it A is to B as C is to D, A/B = C/D. The equality cannot be seen when the terms involved a key to the maintenance of a person's own psychology. So, when one is looking for bright people, like I am looking here, I have to use the foe list a lot more than normal. The more complex the metaphor, the larger the algebraic equation. This is why, whoever had it, the Bible, written, set a mark in the sand, when mankind would be considered intelligent enough to comprehend the Book, or Bible. Aristotle mentions this fact about metaphor, having to maintain the corresponding elements, but was not the least bit good at exampling it. Plato used it quite well.
Aristotle was torn between the tradition concerning the meaning of the elements, one, as fire, earth, air, water, i.e. the perceptible, and Socrates, Noun and Verb, based on the intelligible definiton of a thing. Aristotle was confused about it, but Plato mastered it. Aristotle had a phenomenal memory, but not too bright in how to use that memory.
The Bible multi layers metaphor. Seeing if you can distinguish the perceptible in a story from the intelligible all the time.
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vegetariantaxidermy
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He doesn't come across as very bright, but American presidents rarely do. I think the last intelligent one was Clinton, whether you like him or not. Not liking someone doesn't automatically make that person unintelligent.
And what was that famouse quote of the mighty Donald Trump? 'Women love it when I grab their pussy' or something along those lines. When was the last time any American president said something quotable? ''Ask not what your country blah blah blah barf..'' Hate the sentiment but it's still a brilliant, memorable piece of writing that I'm pretty sure Kennedy wrote himself.
Republicans for the last 50+ years are just morons by default.
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iambiguous
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Julie Clark
Identity is a strange thing. Are we who we say we are, or do we become the person others see? Do they define us by what we choose to show them, or what they see despite our best attempts to conceal it?
It's actually even stranger than that. But don't get me started, right?
I’m not very good at forgiveness. Not many people are. But what I’ve learned in life is that in order for true forgiveness to occur, something has to die first.
Some might not go that far.
The world was filled with people who carried secrets. No one was who they seemed to be.
Any actual exceptions here?
You might be shoulder to shoulder with someone living their last moments as themselves and never know it.
And then those living their last moments period.
...sometimes the death of a dream can finally set you free.
Nope, nothing like that yet.
That was the funny thing about regret. It lived inside of you, shrinking down until you could almost believe it had vanished, only to have it spring up, fully formed, called forward by people who meant you no harm.
And of course the people that do mean you harm.
Identity is a strange thing. Are we who we say we are, or do we become the person others see? Do they define us by what we choose to show them, or what they see despite our best attempts to conceal it?
It's actually even stranger than that. But don't get me started, right?
I’m not very good at forgiveness. Not many people are. But what I’ve learned in life is that in order for true forgiveness to occur, something has to die first.
Some might not go that far.
The world was filled with people who carried secrets. No one was who they seemed to be.
Any actual exceptions here?
You might be shoulder to shoulder with someone living their last moments as themselves and never know it.
And then those living their last moments period.
...sometimes the death of a dream can finally set you free.
Nope, nothing like that yet.
That was the funny thing about regret. It lived inside of you, shrinking down until you could almost believe it had vanished, only to have it spring up, fully formed, called forward by people who meant you no harm.
And of course the people that do mean you harm.
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iambiguous
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The Onion
Shinzo Abe Assassination Prompts Americans To Wonder What It Would Be Like If Someone Got Shot In U.S.
That'll never happen, right?
Local Mom Wants Just One Nice Vacation Photo Where Family Isn’t Running From Gunfire
That ever happen to you?
Luxury Hotel Maid Folds Mattress Into Swan
Next up: the pillows.
Worker Accidentally Paid 300 Times His Salary Disappears With Money
Accidently, of course.
Man Pulling On Loose Hangnail Slowly Unravels Skin From Entire Body
Doesn't even seem possible, does it?
Man Figures He Has 2 More Bites Of Roommate’s Leftovers Before It Noticeable
I guess we'll never know.
Shinzo Abe Assassination Prompts Americans To Wonder What It Would Be Like If Someone Got Shot In U.S.
That'll never happen, right?
Local Mom Wants Just One Nice Vacation Photo Where Family Isn’t Running From Gunfire
That ever happen to you?
Luxury Hotel Maid Folds Mattress Into Swan
Next up: the pillows.
Worker Accidentally Paid 300 Times His Salary Disappears With Money
Accidently, of course.
Man Pulling On Loose Hangnail Slowly Unravels Skin From Entire Body
Doesn't even seem possible, does it?
Man Figures He Has 2 More Bites Of Roommate’s Leftovers Before It Noticeable
I guess we'll never know.
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iambiguous
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Edward Abbey
We know so very little about this strange planet we live on, this haunted world where all answers lead only to more mystery.
If only all the way to the grave. Then God explains it.
Anyone not paranoid in this world must be crazy...
Yo, ecmandu! You're up!!
Each thing in its way, when true to its own character, is equally beautiful.
Sieg Heil?
The missionaries go forth to Christianize the savages --- as if the savages weren't dangerous enough already.
Tee-hee?
If it's knowledge and wisdom you want, then seek out the company of those who do real work for an honest purpose.
Hmm, so much for us philosophers?
...the only reason I don't believe in happy endings is because I don't believe in endings.
Actually, I do believe in them myself. Not many happy though.
We know so very little about this strange planet we live on, this haunted world where all answers lead only to more mystery.
If only all the way to the grave. Then God explains it.
Anyone not paranoid in this world must be crazy...
Yo, ecmandu! You're up!!
Each thing in its way, when true to its own character, is equally beautiful.
Sieg Heil?
The missionaries go forth to Christianize the savages --- as if the savages weren't dangerous enough already.
Tee-hee?
If it's knowledge and wisdom you want, then seek out the company of those who do real work for an honest purpose.
Hmm, so much for us philosophers?
...the only reason I don't believe in happy endings is because I don't believe in endings.
Actually, I do believe in them myself. Not many happy though.
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Joe Abercrombie
Some people, Orso supposed, can never forgive being forgiven.
Nor should they.
...a look of fury, a look of pain, a look of hatred you can trust. A smile can hide anything.
Now that is certainly true.
...sad to say, not all men that die are killed by me.
My guess: not even close.
Does the Devil know he is a Devil?
My guess: probably.
One must keep a close eye on the current definitions. To be unpatriotic would be terrible. To be patriotic in the wrong way could be fatal.
Next up: Define definitions.
Maybe you should try sticking to one side or the other.
Why ever would anyone do that? Cosca raised his flask, took a sip and smacked his lips in satisfaction. It’s a war. There is no right side.
And thus was born the military industrial complex.
Some people, Orso supposed, can never forgive being forgiven.
Nor should they.
...a look of fury, a look of pain, a look of hatred you can trust. A smile can hide anything.
Now that is certainly true.
...sad to say, not all men that die are killed by me.
My guess: not even close.
Does the Devil know he is a Devil?
My guess: probably.
One must keep a close eye on the current definitions. To be unpatriotic would be terrible. To be patriotic in the wrong way could be fatal.
Next up: Define definitions.
Maybe you should try sticking to one side or the other.
Why ever would anyone do that? Cosca raised his flask, took a sip and smacked his lips in satisfaction. It’s a war. There is no right side.
And thus was born the military industrial complex.
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iambiguous
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Philosophy Tweets
"Which death is preferable to every other? The unexpected." Julius Caesar
On the other hand, how unexpected?
"He who fights, can lose. He who doesn't fight, has already lost." Bertolt Brecht
Next up: he who fights, can die.
“A sad soul can kill you quicker, far quicker, than a germ.” John Steinbeck
Next up: a really, really cynical soul.
“Why are there beings at all, instead of nothing?” Martin Heidegger
More to point, why are there Nazis instead of nothing?
“He who thinks great thoughts, often makes great errors.” Martin Heidegger
Historically, for example.
"The best way to find out if you can trust somebody is to trust them." Ernest Hemingway
My guess: for better or worse.
"Which death is preferable to every other? The unexpected." Julius Caesar
On the other hand, how unexpected?
"He who fights, can lose. He who doesn't fight, has already lost." Bertolt Brecht
Next up: he who fights, can die.
“A sad soul can kill you quicker, far quicker, than a germ.” John Steinbeck
Next up: a really, really cynical soul.
“Why are there beings at all, instead of nothing?” Martin Heidegger
More to point, why are there Nazis instead of nothing?
“He who thinks great thoughts, often makes great errors.” Martin Heidegger
Historically, for example.
"The best way to find out if you can trust somebody is to trust them." Ernest Hemingway
My guess: for better or worse.
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Thomas Ligotti
Rigorously considered, our only natural birthright is to die.
So get to it.
Schopenhauer’s will-to-live, commendable as it may seem as a hypothesis, is too overwrought in the proving to be anything more than another intellectual labyrinth for specialists in perplexity.
See, I told you.
To wail adamantly that a god exists is to kill that god or turn it into a plastic idol. To say that a god might exist is to vivify it with the meaning of mystery.
I sort of do that, right?
James was a rare philosopher in that he put no faith in logic. And he was doubtless wise to adopt that stance, since the fortunes of those who attempt to defend their opinions with logic are not enviable.
Especially in, for example, the is/ought world.
Whether you think consciousness to be a benefit or a horror, this is only what you think—and nothing else. But even though you cannot demonstrate the truth of what you think, you can at least put it on show and see what the audience thinks.
Basically, what "I" do here.
I had fled that place in hopes of finding another that had been founded upon different principles and operated under a different order. But there was no such place, or none that I could find. It seemed the only course of action left to me was to make an end of it.
You know, being optimistic.
Rigorously considered, our only natural birthright is to die.
So get to it.
Schopenhauer’s will-to-live, commendable as it may seem as a hypothesis, is too overwrought in the proving to be anything more than another intellectual labyrinth for specialists in perplexity.
See, I told you.
To wail adamantly that a god exists is to kill that god or turn it into a plastic idol. To say that a god might exist is to vivify it with the meaning of mystery.
I sort of do that, right?
James was a rare philosopher in that he put no faith in logic. And he was doubtless wise to adopt that stance, since the fortunes of those who attempt to defend their opinions with logic are not enviable.
Especially in, for example, the is/ought world.
Whether you think consciousness to be a benefit or a horror, this is only what you think—and nothing else. But even though you cannot demonstrate the truth of what you think, you can at least put it on show and see what the audience thinks.
Basically, what "I" do here.
I had fled that place in hopes of finding another that had been founded upon different principles and operated under a different order. But there was no such place, or none that I could find. It seemed the only course of action left to me was to make an end of it.
You know, being optimistic.