Quote of the day

[Dubious]

“...there is a principled reason to be hesitant on the Covid-19 vaccine, and, far from positioning people as “anti-vaxxers” for holding that position, it is perfectly reasonable and needs articulation. Put simply, it’s this: people should have to be convinced, not coerced or forced, into accepting a vaccine into their bodies, especially under the conditions presented by Covid-19 and its vaccine. That is, the argument for getting vaccinated needs to be made, not merely assumed, and neither coercion nor force makes that argument.”

(James Lindsay)

James Lindsay, whoever he is, is a fucking idiot. If the anti-vaxxers aren't convinced by now, nothing ever will. They aren't even interested in looking at the data. The best thing to do now with that collection of morons is to quarantine them collectively in a holding area where they either make it or not on their own. Delaying other major surgeries to service these nincompoops who think its their right in a pandemic to keep spreading it is the real travesty. Pandemics don't give you ANY rights; during a pandemic everyone is in the army. In that kind of situation it doesn't help to psychoanalyze idiots to find out why they're still withholding.

[Immanuel Can]

“...there is a principled reason to be hesitant on the Covid-19 vaccine, and, far from positioning people as “anti-vaxxers” for holding that position, it is perfectly reasonable and needs articulation. Put simply, it’s this: people should have to be convinced, not coerced or forced, into accepting a vaccine into their bodies, especially under the conditions presented by Covid-19 and its vaccine. That is, the argument for getting vaccinated needs to be made, not merely assumed, and neither coercion nor force makes that argument.”

(James Lindsay)

James Lindsay, whoever he is, is a fucking idiot.

He's a PhD, and the leading current expert on Critical Race Theory, actually. He's an excellent philosopher, as well as a personable guy. So you should maybe know something about him before you character assassinate.

Your alternate position would be what...that "coercion or force" are just dandy?

[Immanuel Can]

Pandemics don't give you ANY rights; during a pandemic everyone is in the army.

Wow, that's super dumb.

So all one has to do is declare something a "pandemic," and we automatically ignore any duty to present logic and evidence, and we erase everybody's rights, individuality and choice?

Good to know.

[Walker]

So all one has to do is declare something a "pandemic," and we automatically ignore any duty to present logic and evidence, and we erase everybody's rights, individuality and choice?

Remember the first few days of Biden's so-called presidency? What you describe is exactly what he was doing with that very, very tall leather-bound stack of documents he was signing with the souvenir pens. That first week Geppetto had him set what was probably a record for exercising dictatorial powers within a constitutional republic, although I hear Roosevelt was hot to trot.

(We explored the estate at Hyde Park, NY. Across the road is a woods where generations of Roosevelts frolicked, walked the many trails where the resting benches and crossroads are still there, and the cottage at the far end where Eleanor refuged with friends at times, likely from the matriarch in the big house where she had but a sparse sleeping room.)

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Roosevelt had the same dubious idea when he rounded up Japanese/American citizens and denied them their human rights with what I suppose was at the time an exercise in justified emergency war powers. Governor Cuomo had the same brain-storm when he rounded up the Covid-sick and put them into nursing homes to infect the most vulnerable citizens with what I suppose was as the time justified by panic masked by stupidity. Hitl … err, no need to invoke Goodwin’s Law when an extremist view so blatant that it must be baiting, has ascended. These totalitarian-brained rulers and their advocates all seem to think alike, they just luv to isolate and demonize the ignorant deplorables, which means that in the same situation these powerful clowns and their minions will behave according to a like-minded intent by performing effectively the same actions, without consulting one another; indeed it goes against their grain to consult anyone who may have a differing rationale such as one guided by human rights, and life.

Other than that, the unvaccinated assume their own risk, and the vaccinated are immune … no, wait.

Those with naturally produced antibodies as opposed to the gene therapy unapproved by the FDA are actually immune, and will be less anxious in the future when first-time counting the fingers and toes of their newborns, even though fiddling around with aborted fetal-tissue experiments (could this be true?) have yet to produce any thalidomide-like reactions that have been publicized or that we know of, for which we can demonize Trump if they do appear, which is not to say it’s definitely known if unanticipated and yet invited reactions will not occur and if they do, folks can be comforted by Dr. Science, err, make that Dr. Fauci, and his subsequent lecturing to the great unwashed, non-expert masses that science evolves as the data evolves into an any-means-necessary tool, so folks "get off your high horses" if you think Christmas is a done deal, and unless of course you have a government-approved bar-coded medical card that proves your proper political posture.

Let's Go Brandon!

[Dubious]

Pandemics don't give you ANY rights; during a pandemic everyone is in the army.

Wow, that's super dumb.

So all one has to do is declare something a "pandemic," and we automatically ignore any duty to present logic and evidence, and we erase everybody's rights, individuality and choice?

Good to know.

No, super dumb are theist morons who believe a 2000-year-old Jew preaching in the back alleys of Palestine is going to save their soul. Anyone who believes anything so insane is capable of believing any kind of absurdity.

The logic and evidence for getting vaccinated one can hear endlessly, repetitiously every day of the week. It's obvious now that most people have listened and been convinced without being forced. But one can always expect a fair number of leftover idiots who can NEVER be convinced by any means available that this is the best way to defeat or at least control the virus if its presence cannot be eradicated.

In addition, Critical race theory is an intellectual movement and a framework of legal analysis. What does that have to do with medical science and the production of vaccines? Even your comparisons are completely non sequitur or remotely refer to what is discussed.

If you choose not to get vaxed, due to whatever conspiracy theories you may follow, to limit the spread of covid...fine. But if you end up getting it, you should instead be segregated into a quarantine area where you either make it or not. Why should others suffer delays, putting their lives in danger by prioritizing care to a bunch of stupid obnoxious assholes. Losing a population of idiots can actually be a benefit to the rest of society.

I expect your holiness to make a big deal out of that last sentence!

[Walker]

In the big house is a tiny elevator, as tiny as a wooden elevator can be. It is attached to a pulley by a thick rope. Franklin would wheel himself into the elevator and rope climb to the second floor, where he could do wheelchair wheelies down the long hallway ... the latter unverified that I know of but I did it as a child with grandpa’s wheelchair so it must twue, so twue. Frankly, awesome strength in those Franklin forearms attached to the handshake, of course the pulley must have been compounded, and he must have been strapped down real tight. Great idea, along the lines of a standing desk. He had to be strong to prove his vigour and strength of mind in times when folks were called four-eyes.

[Dontaskme]

No, super dumb are theist morons who believe a 2000-year-old Jew preaching in the back alleys of Palestine is going to save their soul. Anyone who believes anything so insane is capable of believing any kind of absurdity.

What about Love?

Do you believe Love Exists?

What do you think of this quote? >
" God Is Love , and he who dwells in love dwells in God , and God dwells in him ." ~ Meister Eckhart

Do you ever notice Dubious, that when you are replying to someone elses comment, you are literally creating the idea there is another person other than you. A someone else you believe to exist, simply because you know you exist. Although you can never ever know or be this other person you believe to exist. You can only ever be and know you.

That's all you can ever be absolutely certain about, your own self-awareness and all that this awareness contains. So when you are in a disagreement with what you perceive to be others are saying, remember you are only disagreeing with yourself, simply because there is absolutely no access to any one else's consciousness outside of your own consciousness. We simply project the idea of otherness from out of our own being....Would you agree with that?



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[Immanuel Can]

Critical race theory is an intellectual movement and a framework of legal analysis.

You're hilarious.

You really should read "Philosophy Now" magazine. You'd learn a lot about CRT from a book reviewed just a month or so ago, "Cynical Theories." Get yourself a copy. I can't even bother to explain to you how absurdly wrong you are about that.

Lindsay's a philosopher. And it doesn't take a medical expert to know that it's wrong to use force or coercion to make people inject their bodies. You should know that, even intuitively. And you should be astute enough to realize that somebody is very likely to push the "pandemic" button if you grant them universal powers the minute they do it....whether they have a medical solution or not.

So naive.

[henry quirk]

quarantine them collectively in a holding area

Come ahead, Adolph: let's see how it plays out.

[Dubious]

Critical race theory is an intellectual movement and a framework of legal analysis.

You're hilarious.

You really should read "Philosophy Now" magazine. You'd learn a lot about CRT from a book reviewed just a month or so ago, "Cynical Theories." Get yourself a copy. I can't even bother to explain to you how absurdly wrong you are about that.

Lindsay's a philosopher. And it doesn't take a medical expert to know that it's wrong to use force or coercion to make people inject their bodies. You should know that, even intuitively. And you should be astute enough to realize that somebody is very likely to push the "pandemic" button if you grant them universal powers the minute they do it....whether they have a medical solution or not.

So naive.

No point in arguing with an idiot who cannot ever be convinced beyond what he believes.

From Britannica...

Critical race theory (CRT), intellectual and social movement and loosely organized framework of legal analysis based on the premise that race is not a natural, biologically grounded feature of physically distinct subgroups of human beings but a socially constructed (culturally invented) category that is used to oppress and exploit people of colour. Critical race theorists hold that racism is inherent in the law and legal institutions of the United States insofar as they function to create and maintain social, economic, and political inequalities between whites and nonwhites, especially African Americans. Critical race theorists are generally dedicated to applying their understanding of the institutional or structural nature of racism to the concrete (if distant) goal of eliminating all race-based and other unjust hierarchies.

As YOU said "Lindsay's a philosopher". What does that have to do with all the idiots - whose loss would be no loss - and all the anti-vaxxers with their conspiracy theories. What's the connection and what's the connection to CRT? Please explain!

[Dubious]

quarantine them collectively in a holding area

Come ahead, Adolph: let's see how it plays out.

You still around! I thought they permanently banished you from the site. Getting rid of the Alex Jones types like yourself would not be such a bad thing.

[Immanuel Can]

What's the connection and what's the connection to CRT? Please explain!

Go and read a book. (They're not just for colouring, you know.)

It's called "Cynical Theories," by Lindsay and Pluckrose. And it will show you just how wrong you are.

Which you should be getting used to, actually, since you do it so often.

[henry quirk]

*You still around! **I thought they permanently extradited you from the site. ***Getting rid of the Alex Jones types like yourself would not be such a bad thing.

*I go where I choose.

**Nope.

***As long as good lil nazis like yourself are in the world: me and my kind will be too.

Everyone: if you wanna blame someone for my bein' here, blame duh-duh-duh-dubious: it was his call for concentration camps for free men that drew me back.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Pandemics don't give you ANY rights; during a pandemic everyone is in the army.

Wow, that's super dumb.

So all one has to do is declare something a "pandemic," and we automatically ignore any duty to present logic and evidence, and we erase everybody's rights, individuality and choice?

Good to know.

No, super dumb are theist morons who believe a 2000-year-old Jew preaching in the back alleys of Palestine is going to save their soul. Anyone who believes anything so insane is capable of believing any kind of absurdity.

The logic and evidence for getting vaccinated one can hear endlessly, repetitiously every day of the week. It's obvious now that most people have listened and been convinced without being forced. But one can always expect a fair number of leftover idiots who can NEVER be convinced by any means available that this is the best way to defeat or at least control the virus if its presence cannot be eradicated.

In addition, Critical race theory is an intellectual movement and a framework of legal analysis. What does that have to do with medical science and the production of vaccines? Even your comparisons are completely non sequitur or remotely refer to what is discussed.

If you choose not to get vaxed, due to whatever conspiracy theories you may follow, to limit the spread of covid...fine. But if you end up getting it, you should instead be segregated into a quarantine area where you either make it or not. Why should others suffer delays, putting their lives in danger by prioritizing care to a bunch of stupid obnoxious assholes. Losing a population of idiots can actually be a benefit to the rest of society.

I expect your holiness to make a big deal out of that last sentence!

Why would they need to be quarantined? Just let everyone get on with their lives. They aren't going to harm anyone who's vaccinated anyway. Here, the arseholes who are terrified of a little jab are being coddled and pandered to, with everyone ELSE losing their freedom in order to protect this 'special and precious' group of morons.

[henry quirk]

Here, the arseholes who are terrified of a little jab are being coddled and pandered to, with everyone ELSE losing their freedom in order to protect this 'special and precious' group of morons.

Here it's the opposite: mudbloods are heroes and purebloods are pariahs (which is okay cuz in five years all you vax-tainted types will be *dead or crippled).









*one can hope