Henry Quirk must be shut down

[BardoXV]

That's because you rely on false dichotomies.

I don't see a dichotomy in anything I have said, please show me where?

[Walker]

That's because you rely on false dichotomies.

I don't see a dichotomy in anything I have said, please show me where?

Both common sense and gullibility branch from the same mundane, samsaric root, thus distinguishing one from the other in terms of transcending samsara (supramundane view) is ultimately a false division.

The swindler Bernie Madoff appealed to common sense, not gullibility. In the true dichotomy of common sense vs. uncommon sense, gullible does not equate to uncommon sense.

[BardoXV]

That's because you rely on false dichotomies.

I don't see a dichotomy in anything I have said, please show me where?

Both common sense and gullibility branch from the same mundane, samsaric root, thus distinguishing one from the other in terms of transcending samsara (supramundane view) is ultimately a false division.

The swindler Bernie Madoff appealed to common sense, not gullibility. In the true dichotomy of common sense vs. uncommon sense, gullible does not equate to uncommon sense.

Common sense and gullibility may have come from the same root but they do not mean the same thing now. You really need to catch on current English usage.

[Walker]

That swoosh you hear is the meaning passing you by.

[Walker]

I don't see a dichotomy in anything I have said, please show me where?

Both common sense and gullibility branch from the same mundane, samsaric root, thus distinguishing one from the other in terms of transcending samsara (supramundane view) is ultimately a false division.

The swindler Bernie Madoff appealed to common sense, not gullibility. In the true dichotomy of common sense vs. uncommon sense, gullible does not equate to uncommon sense.

Common sense and gullibility may have come from the same root but they do not mean the same thing now. You really need to catch on current English usage.

Person-to-person, since you have stepped in here with a new identity, never-the-less either through affectation or quest, the handle of Bardo does indicate a more uncommon dimension that may perceive the swoosh of what is possible to understand while living within the bardo. So in that vein, common sense may tell you that thoughts cannot cease. However, the purpose of non-intellectual meditation is to make thoughts cease. Paradoxically, this is achieved by training the mind to hold a single thought. The moment that only a single thought exists, all other thoughts cease to exist, then that single thought also disappears, leaving the mind in a state of no thought, or technically no mind, since mind is thought. In formal seated meditation, when the sensory gates close (pratyahara) and mind disconnects from body, reactions to mind creations continue on as thoughts and emotional impressions, for awhile. When impressions from the mind sense registers upon consciousness, experience in the nature of mind impressions releases these back into the void, again leaving the mind without thought, which is the same as being without mind. At some point determined by other than will, thought commences, and this is because consciousness reconnects with a sensory gate, which is usually a sound upon ear sense. With this the sense of I appears as a locus without space or time, and the mind reaches out to assemble a construct of where, which is nothing more than passively awaiting for it to appear. The construct of when comes later. Experience allows this to unfold so that mind sense reaches out to perceive the world in great detail and steadiness on a plane of perception, apprehension, and comprehension more physically subtle than commonly experienced. In other words, when slowly emerging from total stillness mind naturally and without effort perceives reality directly. According to some traditions, functional familiarity with this dynamic eases the discomfort of the inevitable, and after awhile what else is there to prepare for?

[BardoXV]

Both common sense and gullibility branch from the same mundane, samsaric root, thus distinguishing one from the other in terms of transcending samsara (supramundane view) is ultimately a false division.

The swindler Bernie Madoff appealed to common sense, not gullibility. In the true dichotomy of common sense vs. uncommon sense, gullible does not equate to uncommon sense.

Common sense and gullibility may have come from the same root but they do not mean the same thing now. You really need to catch on current English usage.

Person-to-person, since you have stepped in here with a new identity, never-the-less either through affectation or quest, the handle of Bardo does indicate a more uncommon dimension that may perceive the swoosh of what is possible to understand while living within the bardo. So in that vein, common sense may tell you that thoughts cannot cease. However, the purpose of non-intellectual meditation is to make thoughts cease. Paradoxically, this is achieved by training the mind to hold a single thought. The moment that only a single thought exists, all other thoughts cease to exist, then that single thought also disappears, leaving the mind in a state of no thought, or technically no mind, since mind is thought. In formal seated meditation, when the sensory gates close (pratyahara) and mind disconnects from body, reactions to mind creations continue on as thoughts and emotional impressions, for awhile. When impressions from the mind sense registers upon consciousness, experience in the nature of mind impressions releases these back into the void, again leaving the mind without thought, which is the same as being without mind. At some point determined by other than will, thought commences, and this is because consciousness reconnects with a sensory gate, which is usually a sound upon ear sense. With this the sense of I appears as a locus without space or time, and the mind reaches out to assemble a construct of where, which is nothing more than passively awaiting for it to appear. The construct of when comes later. Experience allows this to unfold so that mind sense reaches out to perceive the world in great detail and steadiness on a plane of perception, apprehension, and comprehension more physically subtle than commonly experienced. In other words, when slowly emerging from total stillness mind naturally and without effort perceives reality directly. According to some traditions, functional familiarity with this dynamic eases the discomfort of the inevitable, and after awhile what else is there to prepare for?

You really believe all that, you're a good Buddhist.

[Walker]

You really believe all that, you're a good Buddhist.

It’s an experience-based explanation known and recognized by experienced meditators, rather rudimentary but it does get to the root of the thought process, and reveals the arbitrary nature of thought as a baseline for understanding thought. Too bad that being under the influence of common sense reduces your dialogue to a weak assertion of ego via projecting belief and rummaging about for a label, however it does serve to clarify the handle as an affectation.

The explanation is also directed at those with an interest, since you obviously have no real interest in such things.

[BardoXV]

You really believe all that, you're a good Buddhist.

It’s an experience-based explanation known and recognized by experienced meditators, rather rudimentary but it does get to the root of the thought process, and reveals the arbitrary nature of thought as a baseline for understanding thought. Too bad that being under the influence of common sense reduces your dialogue to a weak assertion of ego via projecting belief and rummaging about for a label, however it does serve to clarify the handle as an affectation.

The explanation is also directed at those with an interest, since you obviously have no real interest in such things.

You're right.

[Walker]

They say 50,000 flies can’t be wrong, but the individual fly, the supramundane fly with a taste for something more, has a different knowledge.

Since the consensus will override the individual unless the individual has a bankroll for attorneys, can we say that mundane common sense is groupthink?

Victor Davis Hansen has penned a tidy and timely bit of clear thinking that illustrates the anti-truth nature of conventional wisdom and groupthink, ending with:

“Instead, one lesson is that conventional wisdom and groupthink tend to mislead, especially in the age of online echo chambers and often sheltered and blinkered elite lives.

“We forget that knowledge can be found at all ages, and in all places. And ethics has nothing to do with degrees or pedigrees.”

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... l-experts/

[Nick_A]

It is amazing to me that common sense has become appreciated as group think. Yet they are entirely different. Emerson wrote: “Common sense is genius dressed in its working clothes.” Obviously group think by definition is not genius. Maybe genius as opposed to an exaggerated talent we call genius requires common sense.

If we don't know what genius or common sense is, maybe it is better to throw in the towel and be content to argue about Trump.

[Walker]

It is amazing to me that common sense has become appreciated as group think. Yet they are entirely different. Emerson wrote: “Common sense is genius dressed in its working clothes.” Obviously group think by definition is not genius. Maybe genius as opposed to an exaggerated talent we call genius requires common sense.

If we don't know what genius or common sense is, maybe it is better to throw in the towel and be content to argue about Trump.

Who has common sense, a Trump voter or a Clinton voter?

[attofishpi]

Why don't you lot think about voting for someone that isn't rich with a silver spoon up their arse? Otherwise, why bother?

[Walker]

Why don't you lot think about voting for someone that isn't rich with a silver spoon up their arse? Otherwise, why bother?

Such folks invariably use their position of power and influence for personal gain. Take for example Obama, Clinton, and Gore. Each became wealthy via holding public office. On the other hand, the independently wealthy such as George Washington and Donald Trump are less susceptible to corruption, and even sacrifice personal interests.

[Nick_A]

A basic question of philosophy: “What is the relationship between consciousness and reality?”

A basic answer from modern philosophy: "Trump is the source of all evil."

Where ancient philosophy only confused us with questions, modern philosophy and the results of progressive education provide answers. What can be a greater proof of human intellectual progress than the evolution of questions into PC answers?

[Nick_A]

It is amazing to me that common sense has become appreciated as group think. Yet they are entirely different. Emerson wrote: “Common sense is genius dressed in its working clothes.” Obviously group think by definition is not genius. Maybe genius as opposed to an exaggerated talent we call genius requires common sense.

If we don't know what genius or common sense is, maybe it is better to throw in the towel and be content to argue about Trump.

Who has common sense, a Trump voter or a Clinton voter?

Neither.

Simone Weil wrote

"The difference between more or less intelligent men is like the difference between criminals condemned to life imprisonment in smaller or larger cells. The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like a condemned man who is proud of his large cell.

Since we don't know or respect common sense we are restricted to arguing the size of our cells while remaining oblivious to the fact that we are in cells with no idea as to how to escape. We need common sense and what we deny to escape so everything continues as it is.