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We need to talk...

Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:23 pm
by philosopher
- about the way we discuss stuff on this board.

Whenever someone disagrees, all they have to say is: "Your premise is flawed" or "you are wrong". Without even a hint of argument of their position.

I'd like that if we could get some arguments. WHY is the premise flawed? WHY are the opponents wrong? Provide sources or counter-arguments.

Please!

Re: We need to talk...

Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:05 pm
by bahman
I agree. People also need to say that they agree when they are convinced.

Re: We need to talk...

Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:44 pm
by philosopher
bahman wrote:
Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:05 pm
I agree. People also need to say that they agree when they are convinced.
Exactly.

Re: We need to talk...

Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:56 pm
by FlashDangerpants
philosopher wrote:
Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:23 pm
- about the way we discuss stuff on this board.

Whenever someone disagrees, all they have to say is: "Your premise is flawed" or "you are wrong". Without even a hint of argument of their position.

I'd like that if we could get some arguments. WHY is the premise flawed? WHY are the opponents wrong? Provide sources or counter-arguments.

Please!
You are being toyed with by a guy who isn't revealing his intentions. I told you that, and I told you that I am going to hold my cards for a while to see how his plan goes. You want to see my hand, get back in there and let him finish mugging you. Then I'll maybe save you. Or perhaps not. Depends if he's smarter than I thought, I haven't seen his actual point yet.

A mod should delete this thread, it's passive aggression to no purpose.

Re: We need to talk...

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:18 am
by Frank N Stein
bahman wrote:
Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:05 pm
I agree. People also need to say that they agree when they are convinced.
You mean admit that they were wrong? More chance of finding a chicken with lips. When people on here lose an argument they just go silent and hope that no one will notice that they didn't get the last word in. Most people are too arrogant to admit even to themselves when they are wrong. You only have to look at all the bible thumpers on here.

"You mean admit that they were wrong? More chance of finding a chicken with lips."

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 9:19 pm
by henry quirk
One good reason (though not the only) folks admit nuthin' is some winners here aren't gracious.

Over the years, I've been wrong on a number of things, and I've admitted it (grudgingly). Only on a couple of occasions were my opponents gracious about it. More often, the opponent keeps on 'lecturing', sometimes with sharp condescension. Who the hell wants to read that? Not enough for the a body to admit error, no: they gotta eat shit too.

So: is it any wonder folks sometimes just drop the conversation instead of admit error?

Re: "You mean admit that they were wrong? More chance of finding a chicken with lips."

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 9:39 pm
by Logik
henry quirk wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 9:19 pm
One good reason (though not the only) folks admit nuthin' is some winners here aren't gracious.
Neither are some losers. Maybe I am the only idiot on here who wants to be wrong...

If I was wrong then it means I just learned something. That's a cause for celebration - not saving face.

Re: We need to talk...

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 9:42 pm
by bahman
The point is that people who think like the winner or otherwise realize that. Those who think otherwise then are encouraged to find their mistake.

"If I was wrong then it means I just learned something. That's a cause for celebration - not saving face."

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 9:56 pm
by henry quirk
Agreed (if indeed there is 'celebration').

Re: "You mean admit that they were wrong? More chance of finding a chicken with lips."

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:35 pm
by philosopher
Logik wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 9:39 pm
henry quirk wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 9:19 pm
One good reason (though not the only) folks admit nuthin' is some winners here aren't gracious.
Neither are some losers. Maybe I am the only idiot on here who wants to be wrong...

If I was wrong then it means I just learned something. That's a cause for celebration - not saving face.
Agreed. Philosophical discussions should be about learning new arguments, or counterarguments.

Philosphical discussions is not about winning or saving face. It is about learning about the world we live in.

I wish I was wrong about a lot of my own conclusions and premises, especially in the politics-sub forum.
I hope someone will convince me.

Re: We need to talk...

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 6:47 pm
by duszek
Why is it important to anyone here to save face ?
We are all anonymous, aren´t we ?

We have no faces worth mentioning, we have no reputation either.

I for one don´t mind being wrong. Nobody knows me here, nobody from my real world knows that I argue here.

I come here to clarify my own thinking.

Re: We need to talk...

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 3:34 am
by HexHammer
philosopher wrote:
Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:23 pm
- about the way we discuss stuff on this board.

Whenever someone disagrees, all they have to say is: "Your premise is flawed" or "you are wrong". Without even a hint of argument of their position.
You are wasting your breath, most here has an IQ ranging from 70-100 which is insufficient to have an intelligent talk, even worse ..it's like this on all philosophy forums, happy cozy chatters babbling and raving all day and all nite!

Only 2 - 3 people have sufficient rational and IQ to have a descent debate!

Re: We need to talk...

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:44 pm
by bahman
HexHammer wrote:
Fri Jan 25, 2019 3:34 am
philosopher wrote:
Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:23 pm
- about the way we discuss stuff on this board.

Whenever someone disagrees, all they have to say is: "Your premise is flawed" or "you are wrong". Without even a hint of argument of their position.
You are wasting your breath, most here has an IQ ranging from 70-100 which is insufficient to have an intelligent talk, even worse ..it's like this on all philosophy forums, happy cozy chatters babbling and raving all day and all nite!

Only 2 - 3 people have sufficient rational and IQ to have a descent debate!
Yes, we are all dumb. :mrgreen:

Re: We need to listen ...

Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 9:54 am
by Walker
That's better.

Perhaps, deaf and not dumb.