Which food would you say is most American?

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Re: Which food would you say is most American?

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gaffo wrote: Sat Mar 17, 2018 4:57 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sat Mar 17, 2018 4:46 am
NZ has it's own cultural identity, just as the US does, and Canada, and Australia.....Or it once did.
??????????

you saying that NZ used to have a separate identity?

same with Australia, canada and America?..............

I never viewed Canada, Australia or Britain as having an identity from my nation (america) - not since I was around - the 1970's and after.

we share the same culture having a shared foundational history.


I welcome clarification on this view (I really do - value learning, include views about your NZ).

i'm ok with agreeing to dissagree - my ego can manage - lol.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sat Mar 17, 2018 4:46 am Countries don't take long to develop a unique identity and character.
we might have to agree to dissagree here. i take a long view on this things and think cultural change take centuries myself.

just my view on the matter.


vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sat Mar 17, 2018 4:46 am It's nothing like England's or the rest of the UK's. Possibly closer to somewhere like Norway, but even then not really.
ok, how so. I value learning more. always like NZ (mostly from what i know of its weather - like Scotland, Pacific Northwest (i'm in love with Washington/Oregon).
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sat Mar 17, 2018 4:46 am I thought you were American.
I am - 2 yrs ago I'd have no reservations saying so - but with Trump now, i say so with regret and shame ;-/.
I have no idea what you are talking about. Did you really not understand anything I wrote? Why would you ask about NZ then, if it's indistinguishable from the US, Canada, Australia.....? You really think the US is like England? When you think of Australia and England, or England and even Ireland or Scotland, then they are all exactly the same to you?
Of course a country carves out it's own identity fairly quickly. Remember, it's often made up of people who WANTED to leave wherever they came from. Kiwis didn't all come from England you know. That's not where my roots are.
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Re: Which food would you say is most American?

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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:02 am
gaffo wrote: Sat Mar 17, 2018 4:57 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sat Mar 17, 2018 4:46 am
NZ has it's own cultural identity, just as the US does, and Canada, and Australia.....Or it once did.
??????????

you saying that NZ used to have a separate identity?

same with Australia, canada and America?..............

I never viewed Canada, Australia or Britain as having an identity from my nation (america) - not since I was around - the 1970's and after.

we share the same culture having a shared foundational history.


I welcome clarification on this view (I really do - value learning, include views about your NZ).

i'm ok with agreeing to dissagree - my ego can manage - lol.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sat Mar 17, 2018 4:46 am Countries don't take long to develop a unique identity and character.
we might have to agree to dissagree here. i take a long view on this things and think cultural change take centuries myself.

just my view on the matter.


vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sat Mar 17, 2018 4:46 am It's nothing like England's or the rest of the UK's. Possibly closer to somewhere like Norway, but even then not really.
ok, how so. I value learning more. always like NZ (mostly from what i know of its weather - like Scotland, Pacific Northwest (i'm in love with Washington/Oregon).
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sat Mar 17, 2018 4:46 am I thought you were American.
I am - 2 yrs ago I'd have no reservations saying so - but with Trump now, i say so with regret and shame ;-/.
I have no idea what you are talking about. Did you really not understand anything I wrote? Why would you ask about NZ then, if it's indistinguishable from the US, Canada, Australia.....? You really think the US is like England? When you think of Australia and England, or England and even Ireland or Scotland, then they are all exactly the same to you?
Of course a country carves out it's own identity fairly quickly. Remember, it's often made up of people who WANTED to leave wherever they came from. Kiwis didn't all come from England you know. That's not where my roots are.
yes I view Austlalia,Canada, NZ, Britain, Scotland's culture the same (in general) to American culture.

we have the same Common Law and settler history.

if you dissagree, i welcome how/why you think so.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:02 am Remember, it's often made up of people who WANTED to leave wherever they came from.
yes, but they always end up rebuilding institutions/cultures they were familier with.............i.e. the one they left

for instance pre 1776 brit common law still rules here in America (where there is no latter statute amending/nullifying it).


granted we have had 250 yrs to water it down, but there are still the outier cases.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:02 am Kiwis didn't all come from England you know. That's not where my roots are.

I would assume most/many NZ who are not of Brit decent are of Irish decent.
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Re: Which food would you say is most American?

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gaffo wrote: Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:37 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:02 am
gaffo wrote: Sat Mar 17, 2018 4:57 am

??????????

you saying that NZ used to have a separate identity?

same with Australia, canada and America?..............

I never viewed Canada, Australia or Britain as having an identity from my nation (america) - not since I was around - the 1970's and after.

we share the same culture having a shared foundational history.


I welcome clarification on this view (I really do - value learning, include views about your NZ).

i'm ok with agreeing to dissagree - my ego can manage - lol.




we might have to agree to dissagree here. i take a long view on this things and think cultural change take centuries myself.

just my view on the matter.





ok, how so. I value learning more. always like NZ (mostly from what i know of its weather - like Scotland, Pacific Northwest (i'm in love with Washington/Oregon).



I am - 2 yrs ago I'd have no reservations saying so - but with Trump now, i say so with regret and shame ;-/.
I have no idea what you are talking about. Did you really not understand anything I wrote? Why would you ask about NZ then, if it's indistinguishable from the US, Canada, Australia.....? You really think the US is like England? When you think of Australia and England, or England and even Ireland or Scotland, then they are all exactly the same to you?
Of course a country carves out it's own identity fairly quickly. Remember, it's often made up of people who WANTED to leave wherever they came from. Kiwis didn't all come from England you know. That's not where my roots are.
yes I view Austlalia,Canada, NZ, Britain, Scotland's culture the same (in general) to American culture.

we have the same Common Law and settler history.

if you dissagree, i welcome how/why you think so.
You PC are all the same. I also didn't say 'culture' I said identity. It's a very complex topic and I can't be bothered right now.
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Re: Which food would you say is most American?

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gaffo wrote: Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:44 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:02 am Remember, it's often made up of people who WANTED to leave wherever they came from.
yes, but they always end up rebuilding institutions/cultures they were familier with.............i.e. the one they left

for instance pre 1776 brit common law still rules here in America (where there is no latter statute amending/nullifying it).


granted we have had 250 yrs to water it down, but there are still the outier cases.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:02 am Kiwis didn't all come from England you know. That's not where my roots are.

I would assume most/many NZ who are not of Brit decent are of Irish decent.
I really don't give a crap what my descent is. I think there are lots of Kiwis whose early ancestors there were Scottish, Dutch, Chinese, Irish, Welsh, Greek, Italian... There are also a lot of Polynesians. National identity is more about politics than anything. If you have ten million nazis emigrating to a liberal 'socialist' democratic country with a small population, then the identity of that country will permanently change. (And that's HYPOTHETICAL HYPERBOLE AND THEREFORE IS NOT TO BE TAKEN LITERALLY!) Not all that far off the mark though.
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Philosophy Explorer wrote: Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:49 am This is a tough question.

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A Big Mac with Coke and French Fries.

43 Trillion sold.

"A Big Mac is as American as LIberty, Mom, and Apple Pie." -- Unknown. (For all you know. I actually know who coined this.)
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Pass me the vomit bucket.
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Re: Which food would you say is most American?

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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:31 am
You PC are all the same.
As I stated to you at least twice now, i'm a Humanist (which is the opposite of the PC crowd).

Humanist value the sameness of all men and women regardless of race and culture.

PCers are the opposite, they fixate and only value the minor differences and negate/ignore the 99-percent of the sameness.

in other words I'm a unversalist - bortherhood of mankind.

they are the same old tribalists of old - the ones which wars are made over and for.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun Mar 18, 2018 1:16 am Pass me the vomit bucket.
Wait. I still haven't finished my bucket list.
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