we agree overall, but will address the divergences below.
yes i heard that argument before - falls on deaf ears................1/2 of "those people" included the GERMANS and Austrians........the former of whom did not have their panties in a bunch in 1939 - over the events of 1914!So easy to talk about marching and fighting but you forget that it was only twenty odd years since the last butchery so people were very loathe to do it all again.
so stop with the nonesense of "we all feared war due to ww1 in 1939!!!!!!!!!!!! - NO only ("only") French and Brits did!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Germans had no problem with a "Re-start" and they did just that.
How short the Polish memory is as who do you think equipped and trained your Blue Army?
"my"? Polish army....................I've no clue (but welcome education - educate me please). I'm an Irish American by blood - there is no Polish ancestry afaik.
do i need that to defend and admire their grit? ---------------and likewise, do i need to have french blood before i call out the clear cowardice of the french during ww2?
--I'm asking you Foghorn.
honestly?If the government of Poland had been given the same options as the French do you not think they might have taken them?
no, i do not.
only France was allow the option of the sham (sham being that they were not conquered - if willy to believe the folly of the armistice - via blind/self serving bride - and so a Soverign "viva la France!!!!!!!!!!".............sshhhhhhhhhhhhhhh quite don't see the man behind the curtian, there are no conditions...................let pride be your lead.......................Vichy is soveriegn................and so we *VEE" are indepentant..............and though Germany shoves Jews and Gypies into ovens and we (VEE) to too,,,,,,,,,,,,Vee in no vay are Germanies bitch!!!!!!!!!!!
ya ok, whatever.
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i snipped your rest of your reply. sorry, but correct only 1/2 of France was Vichy (not that it matters, she was a mirror of the Reich's will = from heart to soul - the 1/2 of France taken into Germany in 1940 (to 44) was the northern 1/2 - including normany.
to clarify, it matters to the nature of the Vichy (a "Soveirgn" - laugh - but ego does as ego demands) vs "greater germany -which was what the northern half of France was (under the "armistice (laugh by me! - ya ok - per equals............ya sure........whatever.........))
what happens in "greater germany" be it in France, Holland, Polend, etc...............is on the german's back..............
NOT what occured within Vichy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
per the bargain with the devil.....French chose the folly of pride over reality and so must (they effectivly erasied it - you are seem one of the forgetfull ones..........so maybe thier game worked).................a few us know more of hisrtory and will not let the french off the hook of history.
of course thing change, and today Putin if the greater threat, and Germany and France today values Liberty over Russia...............just sayin, France never took the accounting she should have......................
2 cents.