Re: I am struggling and need you
Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 12:12 am
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There is only one god - PROFIT.
And we ALL bow to her.
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There is only one god - PROFIT.
And we ALL bow to her.
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I like that. Is it a quote and if so, from what book/article did it came from?Bill Wiltrack wrote:.
There is only one god - PROFIT.
And we ALL bow to her.
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This is an interesting topic... and I can relate to many of the issues that you've pointed out. Humankind does seem very out-of-balance. Many of us can see issues with the world, which we would like to change... but which we realize is likely impossible to do on a large scale in our individual short lifetimes. So, what can we do right now, right where we are... and within our own experience? I think it is essential to BE the beauty/clarity/balance that we want, wherever we are... whatever the situation or condition. Also, I try to determine the most realistic path, based on where I am, what is accessible to me, and how much clarity I can manage to maintain amidst all the intoxication of the world.Thomascbk wrote:No one should ever be getting such insane amounts of stress,
Why does this need to be identified as a "her"? Why not an "it"? Why do men tend to identify the greatest with "male"... and the twisted with "female"? That's fucked up.Bill Wiltrack wrote: There is only one god - PROFIT.
And we ALL bow to her.
Yes. And I'm guessing you are male. So, let's move on...Bill Wiltrack wrote:.
........................................................I assume you are female.
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You sound as if you believe making art is not stressful. I am an artist and I can tell you that making art is sometimes very stressful. When you have something to say, and the inability to say it, causes me much stress. Somedays, it's almost as if I've had a stroke and forgotten how to paint....nothing worse than wanting to paint something that is inside your mind and not having the ability! It's sort of like cutting off your hand and then having to learn to paint with your feet!Thomascbk wrote:Hi thanks for the reply
Well I kind of drifted away from the statement I was trying to make. It was not my intention to make it about the colony stuff which I to be honest have not given that much thoughts before I wrote it down.
Art was just one example of what we are neglecting. Just as our own health. We undergo larger amounts of stress than we could handle during our schooltime and our jobs.
We look at it as if it is collateral damage. Damage to our bodys we could not prevent because we think it had to be done.
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Hahaduszek wrote:Your project reminds me of José Arcadio Buendía, the hero of "Cien anos de soledad" by García Marquez. A group of people went out into the wilderness in Colombia and made a new village.
It is magic realism though, so we cannot expect any realistic advice from the novel, only the atmosphere of such a project and what it may imply.
Is life in Holland really that stressful ?
They ride their bikes, smoke pot and are easy-going, as far as I have heard.
My idea would be to introduce some elements of self-maintanance into my life. And then to see how they work and then to expand more and more.
Did you think about internet ? Would your village create their own or would it do without ?
That was what I had in mind too and is I think the best way to do it. Slowly expand by making things one by one.My idea would be to introduce some elements of self-maintanance into my life. And then to see how they work and then to expand more and more.
I completely agreed with this statement. The way I translate my thoughts and feelings trough the English language are not always correctly done.Many of us can see issues with the world, which we would like to change... but which we realize is likely impossible to do on a large scale in our individual short lifetimes
I think that is a very beautiful way of thinking, create the life we want in ourselves so we can be happy whatever happens.I think it is essential to BE the beauty/clarity/balance that we want, wherever we are... whatever the situation or condition.
Which is why I want to go by myself or same-minded people, at least that one friend of mine (who wants to do the same thing)Years ago, I wanted to find a suitable commune to join... where they already had everything in place. But I couldn't find one that "felt right" and would allow me to bring my small family of pets.
It seems that you can adapt yourself very well to circumstances, which is a great quality.Since I love fun and efficiency, I used my steady income over the years to do/enjoy all sorts of things with my adventure, and my vision evolved. I still utilize the system for resources and conveniences... for as long as that's possible... but without taking it for granted.
True, but everyone has a different defintion of balance. Which is why politics can only make comprimises and is why everyone in a society will have something to dissagree with, but therefore in trade they get protection, luxury etc. I just think having my own society, if I may call it a society, of 1- 15 people would be the best thing for me. Instead of being a negative man shouting thrash to everyone and everything I dissagree with I would rather spare them the frustration and make the best for myself and nobody else. It would be a damn waste of my time anyway haha.And I can't help but wonder about us humans finding/maintaining a balance within the system and this "modernized" world, without losing ourselves to it... and without losing ourselves to exhausting and potentially unmanageable visions of creating it anew.
That is in my eyes a great way to do it all. But there would be many people that do not want it. Quoting Aristoteles ( in my attempt to do the best english translation I can) : ''For some people it is the one, and for the others it is the other and often it is for the same person variating from time to time wanting the one or the other: when it is sick, it is thinking about health care, when its poor, it thinks about being rich.''For example... we could use existing homesteads (with sufficient property) to house small groups, rather than just individuals... such that individuals have their own little "tiny houses" (300 sq.ft.) for privacy and space, and they utilize the "big house" for all the common needs... such as internet, laundry, showers, cooking, etc. It seems like an efficient way to utilize existing infrastructure, while maintaining individuality and privacy, and enjoying more security and modern conveniences in a small group. If there's a mortgage to pay off, everyone equally contributes enough financially to satisfy that each month. People could have more freedom to choose jobs they enjoy, rather than jobs that must enable them to exist completely on their own.
Might be good for me indeed...Don't lose hope... gain love.
Art was just an example for the people that do art for relaxation etc. Since I am not the art type but prefer literature I indeed have very little knowledge about it and I am sorry if it may have sounded like art is something simple and not hard to do. I in fact respect artistic people for their way of expressing their feelings/thoughts trough image and I wish I could do the same. But I do not want people to do art for passion and/or a profession, I want them to do it for a passion. I think art/ literature/ philosophy/ poetry/ dance/ music/ theatre and many more things like that are good for ones personal development. Which should not be done because they have to do it for any other goal except than developing themself in my opinion, but now because we can not have enough time to do such a thing and be having a job to get enough money it is for the most passionate ones a something they will choose as a profession because they do not want to give it up. Which is great, but hard to do with there being low interest in such things because of the little stimulation for one to develop itself.You sound as if you believe making art is not stressful. I am an artist and I can tell you that making art is sometimes very stressful.
It sounds horrible and I feel lucky for myself being able to use simple things as words. But that kind of stress is different, it is stress u get from yourself and is not being put up to you by someone else. Meaning no one else is making you undergo it. Which makes it non-colleteral and therefore not stress that is useless. But nontheless it is worrying me just thinking about someone undergoing those feelings and I honestly hope it will not take too much of you.When you have something to say, and the inability to say it
(1) refering to the original postI have noticed my last words(1) have given the impression I want to do it right for the people. And I see how that was not what I meant.
I do not care about trying to make such thing happen, because such thing will never happen. I wanted to do it right for myself and the same-minded people like me. Because there is no such thing as right. It is based on our morals etc. etc. But when people with the same way of thinking like me will do it than it is right as no one dissagrees.
(2)True, but everyone has a different defintion of balance. Which is why politics can only make comprimises and is why everyone in a society will have something to dissagree with, but therefore in trade they get protection, luxury etc. I just think having my own society, if I may call it a society, of 1- 15 people would be the best thing for me. Instead of being a negative man shouting thrash to everyone and everything I dissagree with I would rather spare them the frustration and make the best for myself and nobody else. It would be a damn waste of my time anyway haha.
If we would be dumping all the stuff one does not really need we will live like animals, or gods...duszek wrote:
Addition from me:
How about dumping all the stuff that one does not really need (watching TV, playing video games, travelling, hanging around, showing off, wasting time, looking for entertainment, gossiping, using gadgets) and devoting the time and space left to art ?
I am myself still far away from the maximum of what is possible.