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Re: Jewish Bloodline?

Post by gaffo » Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:19 am

Greta wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2018 1:46 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2018 1:34 am
Greta wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2018 1:32 am

I have much Jew in me too, though I was christened and raised C of E. I was not confirmed C of E because by my teens I no longer believed. It's all just academic to me, not part of my life.
Did your family consider it a blood-line or strictly cultural?
It depends on the members. Dad had little to do with it, being anomalously christened C of E because to be a young Jew in Vienna in the 20s and 30s was hazardous. I don't think the family were much into the whole Jewish thing, aside from life event rituals. So Dad, the Jewish C of E married a Catholic in a registry office. Some of my cousins are bona fide Jewish (Dad's elder half sister was fully Jewish) and they would at least hold a modicum of the cultural side.

As for me, I see myself as entirely secular although I was quite keen on Buddhism in my 20s :)

buddism. I find that "religion" interesting and worthy in some aspects.

do you still value buddism today or not so much anymore?

would like to know more about this if you are willing (not that is is any of my business - its not). value conversation though, and would love to know more.

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Re: Jewish Bloodline?

Post by gaffo » Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:21 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2018 1:55 am


I view myself as just a mortal man :) at this point.
good - though meager - mindset.

welcome to the club. ;-/.

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Re: Jewish Bloodline?

Post by gaffo » Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:30 am

Greta wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:45 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2018 1:55 am
Greta wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2018 1:46 am

It depends on the members. Dad had little to do with it, being anomalously christened C of E because to be a young Jew in Vienna in the 20s and 30s was hazardous. I don't think the family were much into the whole Jewish thing, aside from life event rituals. So Dad, the Jewish C of E married a Catholic in a registry office. Some of my cousins are bona fide Jewish (Dad's elder half sister was fully Jewish) and they would at least hold a modicum of the cultural side.

I was given the impression similar circumstance occurred within the family tree due to political issues. Apparently I had a distant cousin sent to Siberia over an attempted coup or anti-establishment view.


As for me, I see myself as entirely secular although I was quite keen on Buddhism in my 20s :)
I view myself as just a mortal man :) at this point.
Exactly. Just humans, intelligent animals and Earthlings. We all have our tribes but it seems trite in the face of increasingly connected global systems.

Good to see your family has a proud history of anti-establishment behaviour :) Apparently a couple of Polish cousins of mine ended up in the gas chamber. Earlier this century I lived in a block of flats where the caretaker was an elderly WWII Nazi. Before he knew my background he told me a joke: What is a difference between a pie and a Jew? A pie doesn't scream when you put it in the oven. I just flatly told him that it wasn't funny and he shuffled off.

Some time later he had a few of the people from the flats over at his place for a meal. At one point while he was in the kitchen I mentioned to one of the others about my Jewish background and the others are telling me to keep quiet lest the Nazi fellow hears. So I said in loudly, "I DON'T GIVE A FUCK WHO KNOWS THAT I'M PART JEWISH". The sight of them cringeing at this was hilarious. Mr Nazi never said a thing and he remained exactly the same with me since. In truth, the old letch simply liked my boobs more than he disliked my background :lol:
so sad - given history/fall of hitler, I'd like to think that at least "some NAZI's" learned history and the error of their ways (like hoping Trumpites/Brexits become wise)..............maybe a few did. A few must have (allow me this concept for my faith in Humanity).

your story saddens me though ;-(. the guy had 70 yrs to reflect and pissed that opportunity away.

I commend you on your "balls" - in speaking out in that occation, it was apt and proper.

sounds like it was up to him to step up to the plate and he failed.

sadly ;-(.

oh well - can't fix stupid, cowardice, nor self interested evil...............whichever applied to that NAZI.

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Re: Jewish Bloodline?

Post by gaffo » Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:40 am

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Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:41 am
The thing about Jewish jokes is that they, told by a Nazi, entices anger among Jews, and told by a Jew, makes it knee-slapping hilarious for them.

I don't know if this same applies to the Black community in North America.
it does. I'm white and my GF is black - she mentions "niggers" when bitching about black guys, then catches herself understanding that I ain't an n*****.

so ya.

same as.

..............

I think the whole thing ("it ok to use disparaging terms as long as you are one of them" is utter bullshit).

but I'm not going to fight over it. She uses "niggers" until she sees me as white then stops. so I let it go.

not my fight.

not saying I'm ok with it, just that it is not my fight, and she is wise enough know that "n*****" is not ok.

when she sees I'm white.

most time she sees me - not as black or white - just "me" thus the slip-ups by her about "niggers".

I understand it all so ok by me. i let it go, and most times she does not use the term.

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Re: Jewish Bloodline?

Post by gaffo » Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:50 am

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Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:41 am
You never hear any Irish jokes any more. The totally went out style. Pfff, they fizzed out of existence.

nor Polock joke. I remember the many "how many polocks does it take for lightbumbs" in the 70's as a kid.

those jokes ended by 1980.

BTW i have full respect for the Poles - unlike the French - they fight to the last man in ww2.

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Re: Jewish Bloodline?

Post by gaffo » Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:56 am

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Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:41 am
All I know is, that since my niece and her husband, who live in Budapest, adopted a Gypsy baby, nobody says any jokes about the Roma. I often have to bite my tongue when I visit family there.
here in America we never had enough Gypsies (who are East Indian migrants to Europe) to make jokes about.


why do have to bite your tough - again none of my business - but value understading/conversation.
;-).




A cardinal approaches pope, and says, "Your Holiness, I just heard a really good joke, and I will burst if I don't say it to someone. Please, allow me to recite to you." The pope graciously permits him. "So, you see, your Holiness, these two Polaks are walking down the street, and ..."

The pope silences him up with a wave of his hand. "Cardinal," he says, "You seem to forget that I am also Polish." (This joke goes back a bit.)

The cardinal gets redder in the face in shame than his capedli, he shudders and stutters in his embarrassment, finally says, "Your Holiness, I beg your thousand pardons. So let me start all over. Two... Polaks... are... waking... down... the... street, and..."
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Re: Jewish Bloodline?

Post by gaffo » Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:00 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:15 pm
I will just pull it out and say "jew"...then accuse them of anti-Semitism. I would like to try it to see if it can get me out of speeding ticket.
i understand where you are comming from, but can not agree as long as Israel continues to illegally occupy the WB and deny the non-jews living their full Israeli citizenship.

just sayin.

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Re: Jewish Bloodline?

Post by gaffo » Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:02 am

Greta wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:53 pm
commonsense wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:43 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2018 1:10 am
Delving into family history I have found that I come from a largely Jewish background, most likely Polish and/or Austrian Jew. Some debate that Jewish heritage is a blood line, other's strictly cultural.

So is it a blood line or cultural heritage? I have my opinions already, but thoughts?
To be a Jew is just to be born a Jew or to convert to Judaism.

To be Jewish is to believe the beliefs, carry-on the traditions, repeat the stories, sing the songs, dance the dances, eat the food, have knowledge of the history and speak, or at least have knowledge of, Hebrew and Yiddish.

This distinction allows that there are non-practicing Jews, or non-Jewish Jews.

Shalom Alechem
Alas, the Nazis of the Third Reich accepted this distinction. Certainly that's how I feel about it, and it came up in a recent genetic test too.

did they? my understanding is opposite (eugenic - blood line) but welcome any links that support your assertion.

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Re: Jewish Bloodline?

Post by gaffo » Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:05 am

-1- wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:31 am
commonsense wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:43 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2018 1:10 am
Delving into family history I have found that I come from a largely Jewish background, most likely Polish and/or Austrian Jew. Some debate that Jewish heritage is a blood line, other's strictly cultural.

So is it a blood line or cultural heritage? I have my opinions already, but thoughts?
To be a Jew is just to be born a Jew or to convert to Judaism.

To be Jewish is to believe the beliefs, carry-on the traditions, repeat the stories, sing the songs, dance the dances, eat the food, have knowledge of the history and speak, or at least have knowledge of, Hebrew and Yiddish.

This distinction allows that there are non-practicing Jews, or non-Jewish Jews.

Shalom Alechem
I asked my aunt, after being shown around in the Jewish community in Toronto by a Jewish friend, why does everyone accept you at face value as a Jew if you say you are Jewish, without any reservations? My aunt Boby replied without missing a beat, "because only a Jew would admit to being Jewish."

Yepp.

In North America Jewness has lost its diminutive edge. Many Jews are very rich (as are many Armenians, Turks, Zambezi, Swahilians, etc.) and that is the only or rather the best measure around here of worthiness to be a human. You are poor? You are a dog. Regardless of race, religion, marital status,j sex, gender, neither, health, or place of origin.

We are very democratic here. No discrimination, other than due to financial means, not so movie star-quality looks, smoking, and stinking.

A stinking pair of feet will get you out of any party you could attend.

But I digressed.

Actually, not too much.

The queen of the Netherlands wore a six-pointed yellow star in public places the day after Hitler invaded the lowlands.
yes Canada has been more democratic than my Nation (amercian) since about 15 years ago.

sadly.

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Re: Jewish Bloodline?

Post by gaffo » Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:09 am

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Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:31 am


The queen of the Netherlands wore a six-pointed yellow star in public places the day after Hitler invaded the lowlands.
Didn't the King renounce Germany and leave to England?

or am i thinking of Belgium (sadly most Americans are ignorant and equate/confuse those two Nations).

honestly asking you here.

i value accurate history and understanding.

King Leopold comes to my mind here.

educate me please.

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Re: Jewish Bloodline?

Post by Greta » Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:15 am

gaffo wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:02 am
Greta wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:53 pm
commonsense wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:43 pm


To be a Jew is just to be born a Jew or to convert to Judaism.

To be Jewish is to believe the beliefs, carry-on the traditions, repeat the stories, sing the songs, dance the dances, eat the food, have knowledge of the history and speak, or at least have knowledge of, Hebrew and Yiddish.

This distinction allows that there are non-practicing Jews, or non-Jewish Jews.

Shalom Alechem
Alas, the Nazis of the Third Reich accepted this distinction. Certainly that's how I feel about it, and it came up in a recent genetic test too.
did they? my understanding is opposite (eugenic - blood line) but welcome any links that support your assertion.
They were focused on the genetics, yes, but they were even more paranoid about Jews than the McCarthyists were about communists, so they were hyper-reactive and would not wait for genetic or any other confirmation before persecuting if they felt someone looked or acted too Jewish.

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Re: Jewish Bloodline?

Post by -1- » Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:05 am

gaffo wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:09 am

Didn't the King renounce Germany and leave to England?

or am i thinking of Belgium (sadly most Americans are ignorant and equate/confuse those two Nations).

honestly asking you here.

i value accurate history and understanding.

King Leopold comes to my mind here.

educate me please.
This is what I found on some website:
The legend of Denmark’s King Christian X and his wearing of the yellow star is our most stirring example of non-violent opposition to evil: ordinary citizens (following the example of a courageous leader) defy their military overlords by selflessly putting themselves in harm’s way to prevent the persecution of a defenseless minority. If only more people exhibited such moral fortitude nowadays, we reason, the world would be a much better place. Perhaps if more people had exhibited such moral courage back then, we think, the Holocaust might never have happened.

Although the Danes did undertake heroic efforts to shelter their Jews and help them escape from the Nazis, there is no real-life example of the actions described by this legend. Danish citizens never wore the yellow badge, nor did King Christian ever threaten to don it himself. In fact, Danish Jews never wore the yellow badge either (except for the few who were finally deported to concentration camps), nor did German officials ever issue an order requiring Danish Jews to display it.

So I was wrong on three counts: 1. The royal was not in the Netherlands, but in Denmark. 2. The royal was not female, but a male. 3. The whole thing was a legend, and had no bearing on reality.

Thanks for spotting this, Gaffo. I would have died carrying a false legend in my mind if you hadn't.

To answer your other question, why I sometimes need to bite my tongue in the presence of my family in Budapest: because I am this >||< near to blurting out a Gypsy joke.

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Re: Jewish Bloodline?

Post by -1- » Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:43 am

Greta wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:15 am
They (the Germans and other Nazis) were focused on the genetics, yes, but they were even more paranoid about Jews than the McCarthyists were about communists, so they were hyper-reactive and would not wait for genetic or any other confirmation before persecuting if they felt someone looked or acted too Jewish.
A common procedure to identify Jewish bloodline was to ask the child to recite the Lord's prayer. If she or he failed, the child and accompanying parent was shot to death. At least in the final months of Nazi terror in Budapest (winter and spring of 1945). These perpetrators of terror were an army of Hungarian nationals, and were called "Nyilaskeresztes", a word meaning "of crossed arrows", the shape of their regalia.

Another common procedure in Budapest and I suspect elsewhere was to make boys drop their pants. If they had been circumcised, they died with their accompanying parents in a moment's notice. Grown up men were identified by circumcision as well.

Circumcision in Eastern Europe at the time was strictly a Jewish practice, and it was adhered to even in highly secularized families. Circumcision as a practice was dropped in Jewish families only after the war, for two reasons: the state oppressed religionism, so anti-adherence to religious practices was highly encouraged. Second reason, people superstitiously expected (but hoped not) that a Hitler-type rule would eventually return, even if temporarily, and they aimed to prevent identification by pant-dropping.

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Re: Jewish Bloodline?

Post by commonsense » Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:25 pm

gaffo wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:15 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2018 1:10 am
Delving into family history I have found that I come from a largely Jewish background, most likely Polish and/or Austrian Jew. Some debate that Jewish heritage is a blood line, other's strictly cultural.

So is it a blood line or cultural heritage? I have my opinions already, but thoughts?
per the definition - i.e. since Judaism affirms conversion - Judaism is a religion.

anyone that believes YHWH is God is a Jew.

..............

some will deny the above and insist Judaism is an Ethnicity - ignore them and assume they are wrong - until Rabbis deny conversion to their Faith (maybe some racist Rabbis who hate Arabs in Kyrate Arba(sp) do so - but that leaves out all the other Rabbis outside of the illegally ocuppied Westbank..............

so you common sense for your inquary.
Agreed, Judaism is a religion. Jews are Jews, by blood, by birth (or conversion) whether they adhere to the religion or not. Jewishness is cultural. Otherwise an excellent post, gaffo.

(By "common sense" were you referring to me?)

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Re: Jewish Bloodline?

Post by GreatandWiseTrixie » Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:14 pm

Greta wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:45 pm
Exactly. Just humans, intelligent animals and Earthlings. We all have our tribes but it seems trite in the face of increasingly connected global systems.

Good to see your family has a proud history of anti-establishment behaviour :) Apparently a couple of Polish cousins of mine ended up in the gas chamber. Earlier this century I lived in a block of flats where the caretaker was an elderly WWII Nazi. Before he knew my background he told me a joke: What is a difference between a pie and a Jew? A pie doesn't scream when you put it in the oven. I just flatly told him that it wasn't funny and he shuffled off.

Some time later he had a few of the people from the flats over at his place for a meal. At one point while he was in the kitchen I mentioned to one of the others about my Jewish background and the others are telling me to keep quiet lest the Nazi fellow hears. So I said in loudly, "I DON'T GIVE A FUCK WHO KNOWS THAT I'M PART JEWISH". The sight of them cringeing at this was hilarious. Mr Nazi never said a thing and he remained exactly the same with me since. In truth, the old letch simply liked my boobs more than he disliked my background :lol:
I believe Jews belong near ovens, but not in ovens. I dont believe in burning people alive, i hate torture. The reason I say this is, from what i experienced is, jews are very good bakers and make delicious breads, thus they need to be near, but not in ovens to make delicious breads. I dont view jews as worthless human beings, I think jews make good breads and i think there are many whites who are more degenerate than jews, for instance i have been to some white markets and their food is total degenerate garbage, i have seen many whites who have taste in art that is even worse than black people's taste in art. people say i am a racist but i am the least racist person in society, i hate the entire human race, therefore i am equality itself.

personally i dont believe in burning people alive unless i am a raging demon, burning the town down with my magic. but then it wouldnt be personal, i would burn whites, jews, and blacks and burn their sodom and gommorah towns to the ground with holy angelic fire and rage, and it wouldnt be racist so you cant say im a bad person.

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