Dimebag wrote:Honestly, I don't really like the way Dennett goes about his business, I find him to be slightly abrasive. But despite this, there is much to be gleaned from his ideas.
Unless you can point out what he can say that might be of interest to me, what i have seen and heard disinclines me to 'waste' further time.
If you can show me something specifically relevent to the discussion, i'm willing to discuss it. But the suggestion to read another book because I might get something from it leaves me cold. I have never heard a philosophy as Universally inclusive and simple and irrefutable as mine. I'll take on all commers, but I don't need to hunt them up.
So to throw away his ideas altogether simply because you dislike him and what he stands for is to do yourself a disservice.
I can find the metaphysical gold in the 'Cat in the Hat'!
I can translate anything into truth!
I don't "dislike him", I do not know him 'personally', but I do not respect his 'philosophy'.
Again, toss me something relevent and I'll critically examine it with you, but other than that, I'm bored of talking of nebulous Dennettry! That's all the free advertising he gets from me! *__-
So you have read it all, but are now choosing to refraining from reading anything new? How can you ever hope to understand consciousness if you choose to restrict yourself?
No one can ever understand Consciousness!!!
Repeat self, repeat self, repeat self!
Show me one 'complete' definition of Consciousness, and I'll tear it to philosophical/scientific shreds before your eyes!
There is not anything 'new' that I have heard that is relevent. All
other theories/definitions are subsets of the complete 'Set' that I offer.
I'm bored with the "I" "I" "I"s already, ego tired...
Unless you can offer some evidence in refutation, i need not go looking. I'm right here!
I'm sure that there is a De...tt website where you can find a knowledgable fan that would be willing to come here and discuss that which you feel relevent. Otherwise... I have no reason to read his book, and you seem unable to offer me one.
So shall we lett it rest pending new and relevent data?
Any new understanding in consciousness will come from technological advances, so you should watch this space.
Thats not sandpaper you hear, thats my dry eyes rolling around!!
No matter how advanced your toaster, it will never explain the matrix in which it exists, Consciousness!
That which has no context, Consciousness/Reality... cannot be defined much less 'understood'.
It Is that it Is!
One should not let appearances get in the way of truth.
Truth is all inclusive! Not anything can "get in the way of Truth"!
All 'appearances' are true!
It seems to us that we have free will, that we are the author of our actions, but the whole idea is nonsensical and neuroscience is making the idea seem less and less possible.
We have 'feelings' (thoughts) of 'free-will/choice', thats all. The notion fails completely scientifically and philosophically! It always ends in paradox (a sure sign of error)!
Nice to see neuroscience catching up.
You say everywhere is the central area where it comes together, but if it is separated it has not come together
Everywhere is the center in that which has no context!
Three dinensionally, everywhere is the center of a sphere without limits, without boundaries. Thought paints a grid over everything and perceives 'seperation'.
It is as/in 'thought' alone that subject/object distinctions are perceived! No thought = no such distinctions perceived.
Do the O2 atoms and the H atoms come together when you take your eye from the microscope lens, to become water again?
It's a matter of Perspective of the One Reality of water!
, so I think we might agree that there is no central area in the brain which houses our conscious experience.
Of course I agree!
I never intimated such nonsense!
'Materialism' is an obsolete theory!
it just makes an individual unit of matter part of a collective.
All individual 'units of matter' comprise the One Reality feature of 'matter'!
There is no, nor can there be, any evidence that Consciousness is multiple!
The mystics and philosophers have known this for millennia! Even quantum physics has found this truth!
Even 'classical physics' has declared that there can be no definitive place where onje 'thing' stops, and something else begins!
There is no definitive dividing line between you and me or the sun and dreams!
None has ever been found! You might say 'yet', and I would reply that all theories are tentative, pending further evidence/data.
Really? So how is recollection possible if a memory cannot persist over time?
What you call 'recollection' is the same as 'memory', as far as I can see!
It 'feels' as if we are looking at some 'film of the past', but you are still perceiving a 'thought', in this case, a 'memory', Here! Now!
There is no 'past', there is Here! Now!
Every moment of existence exists Now!
"The Laws of Nature are not rules controlling the metamorphosis of what is, into what will be. They are descriptions of patterns that exist, all at once... " - Genius; the Life and Science of Richard Feynman
All 'eternity' at once; Now!!
There is only one moment (Planck moment; 10^-43/sec; "almost" one billion trillion trillion trillionths of a second!!!) of the entirety of existence/Reality/the Universe!
All existence, ever, is one, literally, 'timeless' moment!
"Reality is a synchrony of moments!"
('Thought' 'unzips' the file... 'Time' exists as uniquely perceived 'thoughts'.)
The way you use the analogy of a telescope pointing at a memory shows to me that you believe something perceives memories, rather than memories merely becoming conscious. What good is a telescope if you have no eyes?
Consciousness/Reality... cannot be perceived because there IS NO CONTEXT! No features! The inherent limitations in all us unique Perspectives enable 'features' of the Whole to be Perceived as they all are contextual!
A circle ain't a circle without a 'ring' around it!
Something to 'seperate' the 'inside' of the circle from the 'outside'. Context.
The ineffable cannot be directly completely perceived but by Perspectives. And the appearance of a Perspective and it's equal and opposite Perspective spontaneously annihilate upon perception. Again, the One complete Reality, Consciousness, cannot be perceived in it's entirety.
Perspectives are all it's got for 'Self!' Knowledge!.
Not any moment of existence, ever, can be 'changed'! Every moment is as it Is! Now!
No it can't, but you have agreed that our experience occurs in moments of now. For an experience to persist longer than a few moments
Not anything in existence/the entire Universe/Reality..., ever, lasts longer than a 'Planck' moment! (see above)
it must become a memory or it is lost forever and for all purposes, never happened. In order for our mind to make any sense of the world, our experiences must persist longer than a fraction of a second,
Thats what thoughts do, they 'fragment' (like an exploded diagram) that they might find the patterns of reconstruction back to the One. Complete Knowledge, Omniscience requires knowledge from the micro to the macro (yes, they are two Perspectives of One Reality!)! The thoughts break stuff into byte sized easily digestible pieces. We can see how 'electrons' work, what they are... We perceive 'thoughts' along with 'feelings' of understanding! Omni means ALL understanding, ALL ignorant, ALL knowledgable, all Perspectives... Consciousness is One Omni 'Self!'! Call it God, or Tao... it doesnt matter, it is different Perspectives of the One Reality.
which is where memory comes in handy, and there are many different kinds of memory. So experiences become memories or they are lost.
Is that some sort of metaphysical magical maneuver?
A perception 'becomes' a memory? No, 'memories' are perceived!
Perception doesn't 'become' anything! All that exists is perceived!
"Consciousness is the ground of all being!" - (op cit)
but if a conscious experience is not remembered correctly and becomes encoded incorrectly, when we recall it later our experience will now have changed compared with the original.
There is no definitive evidence that 'memories' are anything other than a 'memory' and not necessarily 'tied' to any other 'action/moment'!
Just because you remember something does not mean that it actually happened!
The Reality of the moment is that you are perceiving a 'memory'. That's all.
'Linearity' is only one Perspective of Reality. That's what thoughts offer, a 'lens' to examine. Other than as thought, Reality is holistic, not linear (as per science and philosophy).
I am offering the holistic picture as I see it.
It is the
Universally inclusive theory. It includes the linear Perspective, and all others!
Just think of all the questions that would be answered; all the 'psychic' phenomena, super-locality, 'deja vous', the list is endless!
Ponder it for a moment. Just axiomatically accept, for the moment, that everything IS True, that Consciousness/We are all a Unity of One!
Just accept it as a 'what if' and ponder the 'repercussions', the waves emanate like pond ripples...
Repercussions socially, technologically, financially, access to health care wise, the 'poor' wise...
This is PEACE brother!
Understanding our Oneness is the healing of the 130,000 years of violent schizo-sapiens madness, our evolution into homo-novus, New Man.
The planet will be Universally 'Enlightened' (which is about the all inclusive 'Oneness' that I offer)!
The Heart, the knowledge of the mystics, the enlightened is merging with the Head (science/philosophy).
The New Man is the healed integration of his previously 'fractured' Perspective.
Can finally live at peace (at-One-ment) with the environment ('Self!'!), of which we are all features!
One Omni- 'Self!'!