Just so 'you' become AWARE, what are classed as 'mythical entities', by some, may well be just a MISINTERPRETATION or MISUNDERSTANDING of what thee ACTUAL 'entity' IS, EXACTLY.popeye1945 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 5:23 pm Atto,
Einstein believed in Spinoza's god he was in awe of the unperceived totality of the mystery. As to traditional religions its all quotations of mythical entities at least Einstein and Hawkins were real.
But if one BELIEVES that 'that entity' is just a 'myth', just like if one BELIEVES that 'misinterpreted or misunderstood entity' EXISTS and IS REAL, then BOTH, and ALL, of 'these people' will NOT 'grow up' and come-to-SEE what thee ACTUAL and IRREFUTABLE Truth REALLY IS. They will NOT SEE, because they are AFRAID to become Truly OPEN. BELIEFS are ONLY for those who are afraid of the dark.
As for the STORIES about 'talking snakes' and 'the devil making 'you' do things', when one STOPS HIDING BEHIND their BELIEFS, then what they Truly represent and mean can ALSO come-to-LIGHT, and thus BE SEEN, as well.
The 'general population' was also NOT INTO the idea that the earth revolved around the sun too. But, OBVIOUSLY, we ALREADY KNOW that the 'general population' is NOT always Right. So, WHY mention that as though that matters?popeye1945 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 5:23 pm You seem to believe in some esoteric spiritual vision, this is not what the general population is into.
What "attofishpi" is LEADING TO is ABSOLUTELY and ACTUALLY, IRREFUTABLY True, Right, AND Correct.
The 'general population', in the days when this was being written, were just NOT YET AWARE of this Fact.
And the ONLY WAY that this can be done FULLY is by getting RID OF ALL BELIEFS, and STOPPING ANY further ones from ARISING.popeye1945 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 5:23 pm To my way of thinking any spiritual tradition needs to be fully open to the wonder.
VERY, VERY True.popeye1945 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 5:23 pm The mind is an open system and when one embraces an anthropomorphic god one closes one's self off from the mystery.
And when one has ANY ASSUMPTION or BELIEF that they KNOW what is true, right, or correct, BEFORE they have the ACTUAL PROOF for 'it', then they have, LITERALLY, CLOSED "them self" OFF and FROM this Truly (ALWAYS) OPEN Mind.
Which, coincidently, IS just what the ACTUAL INTELLIGENCE IS, EXACTLY, behind the makeup of what we perceive as reality, which "attofishpi" talks about and goes on about here.
You speak here like, 'we' are SMART, and NOTHING like what "others" WERE/ARE.popeye1945 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 5:23 pm The most obvious realization is that we are part of something larger than ourselves this realization has morphed in the absurdity of all three of the desert religions.
With EACH and EVERY NEW INSIGHT into what is ACTUALLY and IRREFUTABLY True, comes a REALIZATION of just how ABSURD human beings 'thinking' WAS, and sometimes STILL IS. HOWEVER, when FULL INSIGHT IS OBTAINED, then what was PERCEIVED as BEING ABSURDITY by "others" is sometimes FOUND and SEEN to be Truly AWE-INSPIRING INSIGHT that they ACTUALLY HAD.
And that it WAS the DELIVER, MISINTERPRETATION, and/or MISCOMMUNICATION of THAT INSIGHT, which is what WAS Truly ABSURD.
The words and term 'desert religion' covers a WHOLE range of DIFFERENT 'things'. Until you provide specific examples of what parts, EXACTLY, of 'desert religions' that you do NOT AGREE WITH, then do NOT be to surprised if 'we' have absolutely NO IDEA AT ALL what 'it' IS, EXACTLY, that you are talking about and referring to here.popeye1945 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 5:23 pm These desert religions are a source of conflict and division in the modern world and rely upon ignorance and anti-intellectualism to maintain their emotional frenzy.
Also, let us NOT forget that there IS 'conflict' AND 'division' AMONG "scientists", "politicians", "religious people", and ALL 'groups of peoples', and even WITHIN their OWN SMALLER and VERY SPECIFIC groups or fields, WITHIN those groups.
Furthermore, is it NOT 'ignorance' and/or 'being CLOSED', which is what ACTUALLY maintains the 'emotional frenzy' among ALL of 'you', adult human beings, no matter what specific group 'you' put "yourselves" INTO?