As an agnostic I accept your statement of report on what you discovered in your alternate experience and add it to my ongoing data re such reports.commonsense wrote: ↑Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:33 pmVVilliam wrote: ↑Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:20 pmBut it would be subjective evidence for you. That is the point.commonsense wrote: ↑Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:04 pm
If I live in a simulation where flying purple people eaters have 2 eyes, how would I know that there’s another simulation where they have 1 eye?
Of course I could imagine a one-eyed simulation, but how would I know that the one I’d (smirk, chuckle) imagined is not the real one?
I could detect a difference between simulations, but only that.Only in order to try and convince others.Agreed, but as a scientist I need objective evidence.
Only if it is accepted without you having actually experienced it for yourself.Subjective evidence is taken on faith alone, on blind belief without justification.
As a philosopher (at least for purposes of this thread) I also need justifiable evidence.
No faith required.
If I were to want to investigate further in relation to alternate experience for the purpose of having my own, so I could evaluate that in relation to the rest, I would have to discover ways in which I can do that.
VVilliam wrote: ↑Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:45 pm The evidence of the 'dominant reality experience' you have, in relation to the alternate one you have adds to the evidence that your dominant reality is not 'all that can be experienced as 'real' as well as adding to the evidence supporting a 'creation' rather than it being 'the only universe which exists'.
And therein place the above to fill the blank...This is where I started: IF the universe was created, then [fill in the blank] ________.
This is where I am:
Seems reasonable.I am more than willing to allow that there may be multiple alternatives, simulations, creations, or universes (I am using these terms as roughly equivalent) even though I cannot access any scientifically verifiable evidence to this end, and that I exist in one of them.
Faith a scientist can agree to partake in...interesting...I am happy to agree that one or more of these simulations may have been constructed by a creator. I accept that the creation or reality where I exist might not be the real reality, but it is my reality and I have no objective way of knowing whether my reality is the real reality or not, so I will assume or take it on faith that mine is the real reality.
No known means...Finally, I have no means by which to determine whether my reality was constructed by a creator or not.
Nice to know as it helps the process.That’s where I am.
I can show you the door but it is you who will have to open it.Now where am I to go? Where are you taking me and how will we get there?
So then, what is "the Door"?
I would say that from what you have said of yourself [position] the best we have to work with, is in your statement about faith.
Rather than assume what your answers may be, perhaps I am best to ask a few questions related to that?
I would first ask you to briefly explain why you are willing to take on faith that you exist within the 'real' universe.
The obvious answer is that it is there and you can deal with it. Your faith creates a barrier which must first be removed.