I'm remembering now: you said you write a bunch of stuff that you don't believe. So I'm going to get out of the way and let you do that.
IF the universe was created THEN...
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That's a good idea, to get out of your own way, you do not have to show up to your own show.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:40 pmI'm remembering now: you said you write a bunch of stuff that you don't believe. So I'm going to get out of the way and let you do that.
Else you be tripping again
I do not know anything, except what I make up, create. I am the uncreated creator. Only created things have a creator, in the dream of separation.
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If we live in a simulation of reality, then our reality is that simulation. None of us can be a Neo.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:48 pmAh. So you claim that you have seen reality as it actually is, and it's not this -- this is a "simulated" reality?
So you have been "red pilled," and actually seen and been outside the Matrix, like a Neo.
But nobody else has?
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The problem with that claim is that a "simulation" is always a "simulation-of" something. So even to use the word "simulation" implies the existence of something "not-the-simulation," but which the simulation "simulates."commonsense wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:31 pm If we live in a simulation of reality, then our reality is that simulation.
So if we live in a reality, that reality is not the simulation. But if we live in a simulation, then it's a simulation of the real reality.
The upshot: either way, reality has to exist.
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I’m not sure about any semantics, but it seems to me you have stated that, by any definition of the word, you have never experienced hallucinations.
I suppose you have had hallucinations but could not recognize them. How can you be sure that you’re not having one now?
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Agreed.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:45 pmThe problem with that claim is that a "simulation" is always a "simulation-of" something. So even to use the word "simulation" implies the existence of something "not-the-simulation," but which the simulation "simulates."commonsense wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:31 pm If we live in a simulation of reality, then our reality is that simulation.
So if we live in a reality, that reality is not the simulation. But if we live in a simulation, then it's a simulation of the real reality.
The upshot: either way, reality has to exist.
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Great.commonsense wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:53 pmAgreed.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:45 pmThe problem with that claim is that a "simulation" is always a "simulation-of" something. So even to use the word "simulation" implies the existence of something "not-the-simulation," but which the simulation "simulates."commonsense wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:31 pm If we live in a simulation of reality, then our reality is that simulation.
So if we live in a reality, that reality is not the simulation. But if we live in a simulation, then it's a simulation of the real reality.
The upshot: either way, reality has to exist.
And if you look back, that's the issue VVilliam and I were arguing about. He seems to think there's such a thing as a "simulation" that isn't a "simulation-of" anything. And I don't think he even saw the necessity of a "simulation" simulating something.
But if Neo is in the Matrix, but there's nothing OUTSIDE the Matrix, then all there is is the Matrix, and the Matrix is the real reality. It's no longer a "simulation" of anything. The Matrix is as good as it ever gets or could get, and there's no basis for complaining about the Matrix anymore...it's then the only "reality" we have.
So then it's a totally moot point. And it's no longer reasonable, or even interesting, to complain about the Matrix. It would then be all we ever get.
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If the 'we' is known, then who and/or what is the 'we'?
Also, are you here suggesting that 'you', human beings, know nothing?
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For those who question if we live/exist within a simulation or within a reality, then do you realize that if a simulation could be created, in which 'we' or 'anything' lives or exists in, then that would have to have occurred in 'Reality', Itself? And it does NOT matter how many simulations there are.
So, it does NOT matter if 'we' or 'anything' lives/exists within a simulation, this "simulation" is OBVIOUSLY within Reality, Itself.
Therefore, there is NO escaping the FACT that we are living and existing within Reality, Itself.
End of story.
But if ANY one thinks or BELIEVES that they can refute this, then please go ahead and do it.
So, it does NOT matter if 'we' or 'anything' lives/exists within a simulation, this "simulation" is OBVIOUSLY within Reality, Itself.
Therefore, there is NO escaping the FACT that we are living and existing within Reality, Itself.
End of story.
But if ANY one thinks or BELIEVES that they can refute this, then please go ahead and do it.
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I'm suggesting that ALL concepts ( which is another word for 'idea' ) are known.
The word ''knower'' is an idea too.
The ''knower'' is not a conceptual thing/object that can be SEEN. An idea cannot SEE an idea. An idea is only known.
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Is EVERY word an idea, to you?
Is your use of the 'conceptual' word here correct?
Could you have said your sentence without the 'conceptual' word here?
SEE, from my perspective, the knower is not a thing/object that can be SEEN with the physical eyes. But 'it' can be SEEN with the Mind's Eye.
But, as far as I am aware it is only 'you', "dontaskme", who thinks or believes and claims that the actual 'knower' is just an idea only.
Most, I find, think that the knower is more than just an idea and is, in fact, an actual thing or object.
And, if the knower is only an idea, then who and/or what is the one who this idea exists within, and thus 'knows' of?
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The word ''you'' is an idea.
All labels are concepts which are ideas.
Things and objects are conceptually known, and that which is known (ideas) know nothing.
What is the exact location of an idea you ask...?
..I've no idea.
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The word 'you' is an idea about 'what', EXACTLY?
A REAL 'thing' or some 'thing' else?
This may be 100% True and Correct, but this does NOT take away from the FACT that some labels point to, refers to, or are of actual things. For example, the word 'knower' refers to some ACTUAL 'thing', correct?
'you' can REALLY twist and distort 'things'.
OF COURSE 'things' and 'objects' are conceptually known. This is HOW 'knowing' works. 'Knowing' is in the mental state, which is also known as, and literally by, 'concepts'.
So, 'things' and 'objects' are conceptually known, but this does NOT take away from the FACT that some of these 'things' and 'objects' are REAL and ACTUAL things.
Also, I have tried to clarify with you previously about if 'human beings' are known, and if so, then whether you think or believe that 'human beings' can either know things or not know things.
I await your clarity.
NO, I am NOT asking that at all.
As ALL ideas exist within a mental construct, concepts or conceptual framework, or thoughts and thinking. This was ALREADY KNOWN.
Also, I suggest you CLARIFY before you even begin to ASSUME ANY thing. That way you will NOT be answering questions that were NEVER even asked.
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The word ''knower'' is an idea. An idea is known, and that which is known, know nothing.
Conceptual 'ideas' do not distort, they simply are as they are known, and that which is known, know nothing.
The words 'Real' and 'Actual' are concepts known, and that which is known, know nothing.Age wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:49 pmOF COURSE 'things' and 'objects' are conceptually known. This is HOW 'knowing' works. 'Knowing' is in the mental state, which is also known as, and literally by, 'concepts'.
So, 'things' and 'objects' are conceptually known, but this does NOT take away from the FACT that some of these 'things' and 'objects' are REAL and ACTUAL things.
All known concepts do not know anything, and thankfully they don't have to know, for they are already the 'knowing' that cannot be known.
The 'who' and the 'what' and the 'one' ..and the 'within' and without' are all inclusive of concepts known, and that which is known, known nothing.
'Mental contruct' is another idea.Age wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:49 pmNO, I am NOT asking that at all.
As ALL ideas exist within a mental construct, concepts or conceptual framework, or thoughts and thinking. This was ALREADY KNOWN.
Also, I suggest you CLARIFY before you even begin to ASSUME ANY thing. That way you will NOT be answering questions that were NEVER even asked.
What is an idea...I've no idea.