Knowledge is boundless

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popeye1945
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Re: Knowledge is boundless

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bahman wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 3:15 pm
popeye1945 wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 2:39 pm
bahman wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 3:38 pm Knowledge is about the relation between subjects. Some subjects refer to objects. Objects are boundless (this is discussed here). Therefore, knowledge is boundless.
bahman,

Knowledge is bounded by our senses, for they both enable and limit our ability to know reality, indeed our senses are no guarantee that what we take for reality is indeed reality.
Knowledge is not bounded by our senses. For example, look at this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider
popeye1945 wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 2:39 pm Our apparent/everyday reality is as it seems due to the nature of our own biology, apparent reality is biological interpretation a biological readout if you will. The apparent reality is dependent upon the biology of the organism and is no indication of the ultimate reality that we have no access to.
I agree that there is a part of reality that we don't have access to it.
popeye1945 wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 2:39 pm Apparent reality is utterly dependent upon the state of one's biological consciousness.
Only the reality that you perceive.
popeye1945 wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 2:39 pm Knowledge is about the relation between subject and object thus the object to be known is dependent upon biological consciousness.
The relation between subject and object is perception. Knowledge is about the relation between subjects.
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Re: Knowledge is boundless

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bahman wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 3:15 pm
popeye1945 wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 2:39 pm
bahman wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 3:38 pm Knowledge is about the relation between subjects. Some subjects refer to objects. Objects are boundless (this is discussed here). Therefore, knowledge is boundless.
bahman,

Knowledge is bounded by our senses, for they both enable and limit our ability to know reality, indeed our senses are no guarantee that what we take for reality is indeed reality.
Knowledge is not bounded by our senses. For example, look at this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider
popeye1945 wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 2:39 pm Our apparent/everyday reality is as it seems due to the nature of our own biology, apparent reality is biological interpretation a biological readout if you will. The apparent reality is dependent upon the biology of the organism and is no indication of the ultimate reality that we have no access to.
I agree that there is a part of reality that we don't have access to it.
popeye1945 wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 2:39 pm Apparent reality is utterly dependent upon the state of one's biological consciousness.
Only the reality that you perceive.
popeye1945 wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 2:39 pm Knowledge is about the relation between subject and object thus the object to be known is dependent upon biological consciousness.
The relation between subject and object is perception. Knowledge is about the relation between subjects.
bahman.
The statement, knowledge is not bounded by our senses need qualification It is true that we can build sensors greater than our own due to the acquired knowledge of the relation between subject and object. Ultimately the readings must be interpreted by those same human senses. Knowledge ever remains the property of experience.

Knowledge is utterly dependent upon the state of our biology. Your reply was only the reality we perceive, but that is why it is called apparent reality. The apparent reality is a biological readout, apparent reality is a biological reaction and there is no guarantee that it is real it is but the reaction experience of biology.

Your statement the relation between subject and object is perception, knowledge is about the relation between subjects.

I think we both might be right here, experience is knowledge but your definition is more expansive, and it isn't the relation between subjects but the relation between objects.
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Re: Knowledge is boundless

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popeye1945 wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:26 pm
bahman wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 3:15 pm
popeye1945 wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 2:39 pm

bahman,

Knowledge is bounded by our senses, for they both enable and limit our ability to know reality, indeed our senses are no guarantee that what we take for reality is indeed reality.
Knowledge is not bounded by our senses. For example, look at this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider
popeye1945 wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 2:39 pm Our apparent/everyday reality is as it seems due to the nature of our own biology, apparent reality is biological interpretation a biological readout if you will. The apparent reality is dependent upon the biology of the organism and is no indication of the ultimate reality that we have no access to.
I agree that there is a part of reality that we don't have access to it.
popeye1945 wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 2:39 pm Apparent reality is utterly dependent upon the state of one's biological consciousness.
Only the reality that you perceive.
popeye1945 wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 2:39 pm Knowledge is about the relation between subject and object thus the object to be known is dependent upon biological consciousness.
The relation between subject and object is perception. Knowledge is about the relation between subjects.
bahman.
The statement, knowledge is not bounded by our senses need qualification It is true that we can build sensors greater than our own due to the acquired knowledge of the relation between subject and object. Ultimately the readings must be interpreted by those same human senses. Knowledge ever remains the property of experience.

Knowledge is utterly dependent upon the state of our biology. Your reply was only the reality we perceive, but that is why it is called apparent reality. The apparent reality is a biological readout, apparent reality is a biological reaction and there is no guarantee that it is real it is but the reaction experience of biology.

Your statement the relation between subject and object is perception, knowledge is about the relation between subjects.

I think we both might be right here, experience is knowledge but your definition is more expansive, and it isn't the relation between subjects but the relation between objects.
I don't mean the knowledge that we can acquire when I said the knowledge is unbound, I mean knowledge in general whether we are capable of grasping it or not.
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