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The Theory of Knowledge

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Knowledge is justified belief. An instance of knowledge is a fact.

Ideas like tacit knowledge, subconscious knowledge, innate knowledge simply don't make sense. If someone cannot explain why they believe something, they are guessing. If a belief is not justified, it is merely a belief, no different in epistemological warrant than a fiction, a lie, an illusion, a delusion, or a hallucination. To the extent the justification is valid, it is knowledge. Outside of logic, there is no ultimately certain piece of information, only that with sufficient justification for the intent.

Logic is descriptive of the relationships between certain things. Just like math ( a subset of logic that deals specifically with quantity ), to the extent those things fit the described relationships, you can be 100% certain about the result. Replication is the ultimate arbiter of whether a fact is true. If you can produce the same output with the same input every time, that's true "for all intents and purposes".

bonus: Truth is the set of justified beliefs that remains even when new information is gathered. It makes sense to say that each person has their own truth because each person has their own perspective and we can't know the same things that they do or have all the same justifications. To the extent our understandings concur, or one is more epistemologically sound than the other, that's what the word Reality means.
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Advocate wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:08 am Knowledge is justified belief. An instance of knowledge is a fact.

Ideas like tacit knowledge, subconscious knowledge, innate knowledge simply don't make sense. If someone cannot explain why they believe something, they are guessing. If a belief is not justified, it is merely a belief, no different in epistemological warrant than a fiction, a lie, an illusion, a delusion, or a hallucination. To the extent the justification is valid, it is knowledge. Outside of logic, there is no ultimately certain piece of information, only that with sufficient justification for the intent.

Logic is descriptive of the relationships between certain things. Just like math ( a subset of logic that deals specifically with quantity ), to the extent those things fit the described relationships, you can be 100% certain about the result. Replication is the ultimate arbiter of whether a fact is true. If you can produce the same output with the same input every time, that's true "for all intents and purposes".

bonus: Truth is the set of justified beliefs that remains even when new information is gathered. It makes sense to say that each person has their own truth because each person has their own perspective and we can't know the same things that they do or have all the same justifications. To the extent our understandings concur, or one is more epistemologically sound than the other, that's what the word Reality means.
Knowledge is a set of propositions that is structured and it express reality as it is.
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bahman wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:46 pm
Advocate wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:08 am Knowledge is justified belief. An instance of knowledge is a fact.

Ideas like tacit knowledge, subconscious knowledge, innate knowledge simply don't make sense. If someone cannot explain why they believe something, they are guessing. If a belief is not justified, it is merely a belief, no different in epistemological warrant than a fiction, a lie, an illusion, a delusion, or a hallucination. To the extent the justification is valid, it is knowledge. Outside of logic, there is no ultimately certain piece of information, only that with sufficient justification for the intent.

Logic is descriptive of the relationships between certain things. Just like math ( a subset of logic that deals specifically with quantity ), to the extent those things fit the described relationships, you can be 100% certain about the result. Replication is the ultimate arbiter of whether a fact is true. If you can produce the same output with the same input every time, that's true "for all intents and purposes".

bonus: Truth is the set of justified beliefs that remains even when new information is gathered. It makes sense to say that each person has their own truth because each person has their own perspective and we can't know the same things that they do or have all the same justifications. To the extent our understandings concur, or one is more epistemologically sound than the other, that's what the word Reality means.
Knowledge is a set of propositions that is structured and it express reality as it is.
Propositions only relate to reality in the manner in which an individual thinks about them. They can't do anything on their own so to speak.
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Terrapin Station wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:38 pm
bahman wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:46 pm
Advocate wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:08 am Knowledge is justified belief. An instance of knowledge is a fact.

Ideas like tacit knowledge, subconscious knowledge, innate knowledge simply don't make sense. If someone cannot explain why they believe something, they are guessing. If a belief is not justified, it is merely a belief, no different in epistemological warrant than a fiction, a lie, an illusion, a delusion, or a hallucination. To the extent the justification is valid, it is knowledge. Outside of logic, there is no ultimately certain piece of information, only that with sufficient justification for the intent.

Logic is descriptive of the relationships between certain things. Just like math ( a subset of logic that deals specifically with quantity ), to the extent those things fit the described relationships, you can be 100% certain about the result. Replication is the ultimate arbiter of whether a fact is true. If you can produce the same output with the same input every time, that's true "for all intents and purposes".

bonus: Truth is the set of justified beliefs that remains even when new information is gathered. It makes sense to say that each person has their own truth because each person has their own perspective and we can't know the same things that they do or have all the same justifications. To the extent our understandings concur, or one is more epistemologically sound than the other, that's what the word Reality means.
Knowledge is a set of propositions that is structured and it express reality as it is.
Propositions only relate to reality in the manner in which an individual thinks about them. They can't do anything on their own so to speak.
Yes.
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[quote=bahman post_id=491847 time=1611352003 user_id=12593]
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Knowledge is justified belief. An instance of knowledge is a fact.

Ideas like tacit knowledge, subconscious knowledge, innate knowledge simply don't make sense. If someone cannot explain why they believe something, they are guessing. If a belief is not justified, it is merely a belief, no different in epistemological warrant than a fiction, a lie, an illusion, a delusion, or a hallucination. To the extent the justification is valid, it is knowledge. Outside of logic, there is no ultimately certain piece of information, only that with sufficient justification for the intent.

Logic is descriptive of the relationships between certain things. Just like math ( a subset of logic that deals specifically with quantity ), to the extent those things fit the described relationships, you can be 100% certain about the result. Replication is the ultimate arbiter of whether a fact is true. If you can produce the same output with the same input every time, that's true "for all intents and purposes".

bonus: Truth is the set of justified beliefs that remains even when new information is gathered. It makes sense to say that each person has their own truth because each person has their own perspective and we can't know the same things that they do or have all the same justifications. To the extent our understandings concur, or one is more epistemologically sound than the other, that's what the word Reality means.
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Knowledge is a set of propositions that is structured and it express reality as it is.
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That's a logical disconnect. Knowledge cannot be justified <true> belief because the truth of things is what it's a pointer toward. Reality qua reality is unreachable to our understanding.
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Advocate wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:02 am
bahman wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:46 pm
Advocate wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:08 am Knowledge is justified belief. An instance of knowledge is a fact.

Ideas like tacit knowledge, subconscious knowledge, innate knowledge simply don't make sense. If someone cannot explain why they believe something, they are guessing. If a belief is not justified, it is merely a belief, no different in epistemological warrant than a fiction, a lie, an illusion, a delusion, or a hallucination. To the extent the justification is valid, it is knowledge. Outside of logic, there is no ultimately certain piece of information, only that with sufficient justification for the intent.

Logic is descriptive of the relationships between certain things. Just like math ( a subset of logic that deals specifically with quantity ), to the extent those things fit the described relationships, you can be 100% certain about the result. Replication is the ultimate arbiter of whether a fact is true. If you can produce the same output with the same input every time, that's true "for all intents and purposes".

bonus: Truth is the set of justified beliefs that remains even when new information is gathered. It makes sense to say that each person has their own truth because each person has their own perspective and we can't know the same things that they do or have all the same justifications. To the extent our understandings concur, or one is more epistemologically sound than the other, that's what the word Reality means.
Knowledge is a set of propositions that is structured and it express reality as it is.
That's a logical disconnect. Knowledge cannot be justified <true> belief because the truth of things is what it's a pointer toward. Reality qua reality is unreachable to our understanding.
Whenever any one proposes things like truth or reality is unknowable or is unreachable, then they are, literally, contradicting "their" OWN 'self'.

"Reality qua reality is unreachable to our understanding" is a self-contradictory statement, proposition, or claim.
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Advocate wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:02 am
bahman wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:46 pm
Advocate wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:08 am Knowledge is justified belief. An instance of knowledge is a fact.

Ideas like tacit knowledge, subconscious knowledge, innate knowledge simply don't make sense. If someone cannot explain why they believe something, they are guessing. If a belief is not justified, it is merely a belief, no different in epistemological warrant than a fiction, a lie, an illusion, a delusion, or a hallucination. To the extent the justification is valid, it is knowledge. Outside of logic, there is no ultimately certain piece of information, only that with sufficient justification for the intent.

Logic is descriptive of the relationships between certain things. Just like math ( a subset of logic that deals specifically with quantity ), to the extent those things fit the described relationships, you can be 100% certain about the result. Replication is the ultimate arbiter of whether a fact is true. If you can produce the same output with the same input every time, that's true "for all intents and purposes".

bonus: Truth is the set of justified beliefs that remains even when new information is gathered. It makes sense to say that each person has their own truth because each person has their own perspective and we can't know the same things that they do or have all the same justifications. To the extent our understandings concur, or one is more epistemologically sound than the other, that's what the word Reality means.
Knowledge is a set of propositions that is structured and it express reality as it is.
That's a logical disconnect. Knowledge cannot be justified <true> belief because the truth of things is what it's a pointer toward. Reality qua reality is unreachable to our understanding.
I don't think so.
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[quote=Age post_id=491881 time=1611372663 user_id=16237]
Whenever any one proposes things like truth or reality is unknowable or is unreachable, then they are, literally, contradicting "their" OWN 'self'.

"Reality qua reality is unreachable to our understanding" is a self-contradictory statement, proposition, or claim.
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The reason someone purposes that truth or reality are unreachable is because the ordinary use of those terms assumes some Ultimate truth or reality that IS unreachable. I also say that the proper use of any such word is as a placeholder for the ineffable and the Correct understanding of those words is not something with transcendent certainty attached. I'm other words, those words are typically used wrongly, to include a literally impossible criteria.

If knowledge is "justified true belief" we can never know whether something is knowledge because there is no other benchmark besides knowledge we can use to determine the validity of the truth component of it.
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