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Iwannaplato wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 11:37 pm
Sculptor wrote: Sat Jan 15, 2022 12:03 am
Advocate wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 9:57 pm

ie justified belief
No
Knowledge is the antithesis of belief.
Any moron can justify a false belief. This does not make it knoweldge.
Any moron can also make a narrative about what is the case in a form accessible....etc. In philosophy, generally, belief does not mean what it means outside of philosophy. It simply means something one believes, correctly or incorrectly, based on solid justification or lacking that. Usually it is JTB, justifed true belief. Or a rigorously justified belief. Or the best justified belief at this time.
Why use the word "belief" for knowledge?
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Sculptor wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 11:56 pm Why use the word "belief" for knowledge?
You are looking at things we believe in, then deciding what subset of that is knowledge. What sets some things we believe in from others? So,different philosophers describe their criteria. I think a good facet of this is that it more easily allows for revision. Knowledge is not absolute and may be revised later. So, we acknowledge in the definition that we believed in it due to its passing some rigorous criteria. JTB for example is hardly perfect, as Gettier and others have pointed out. But if you make a clean split between knowledge and belief, it is as if you know that what is considered knowledge now will never be revised.

Some common usage has belief in specifc contrast to knowledge. Other common usage just has it as something one believes. In philosophy it's this latter idea that has been used.
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popeye1945 wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:53 am Knowledge is what your biology tells you it is. One's experience at times may not agree with physical reality but, knowledge is true to the biology that experiences it. Alter the biology and you alter the experience of apparent reality. Each individual, each different species experiences apparent reality somewhat differently due to their different biological states.
One's experience is the result of biology, biology is a result of matter, thus matter disagrees with itself when one's experience (matter) does not agree with physical reality (matter).
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Sculptor wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 11:56 pm
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 11:37 pm
Sculptor wrote: Sat Jan 15, 2022 12:03 am

No
Knowledge is the antithesis of belief.
Any moron can justify a false belief. This does not make it knoweldge.
Any moron can also make a narrative about what is the case in a form accessible....etc. In philosophy, generally, belief does not mean what it means outside of philosophy. It simply means something one believes, correctly or incorrectly, based on solid justification or lacking that. Usually it is JTB, justifed true belief. Or a rigorously justified belief. Or the best justified belief at this time.
Why use the word "belief" for knowledge?
Knowledge requires a belief in one's memories thus knowledge is inseparable from belief.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 12:29 am
popeye1945 wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:53 am Knowledge is what your biology tells you it is. One's experience at times may not agree with physical reality but, knowledge is true to the biology that experiences it. Alter the biology and you alter the experience of apparent reality. Each individual, each different species experiences apparent reality somewhat differently due to their different biological states.
One's experience is the result of biology, biology is a result of matter, thus matter disagrees with itself when one's experience (matter) does not agree with physical reality (matter).
Eodnho7,
No, The reason that perception and judgment sometimes do not agree with the physical reality is that neither of these is infallible and there are such things as delusions or poor judgment. Sometimes it is just a matter of that particular biology is unhealthy and in some way this effect the senses.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 12:30 am
Sculptor wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 11:56 pm
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 11:37 pm
Any moron can also make a narrative about what is the case in a form accessible....etc. In philosophy, generally, belief does not mean what it means outside of philosophy. It simply means something one believes, correctly or incorrectly, based on solid justification or lacking that. Usually it is JTB, justifed true belief. Or a rigorously justified belief. Or the best justified belief at this time.
Why use the word "belief" for knowledge?
Knowledge requires a belief in one's memories thus knowledge is inseparable from belief.
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Experience is knowledge and when one trusts one's own experience, that can be said to be believed, without which we would be to insecure to move through the world.
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Experience is knowledge and when one trusts one's own experience, that can be said to be believed, without which we would be to insecure to move through the world.
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Wisdom comes from perspective. Perspective comes from experience. Experience provides evidence which can increase or decrease your knowledge, depending on how it fits with prior knowledge. Knowledge is justified belief. Experience is evidence, not knowledge. Knowledge is in the concurrence of evidence. Belief is based on evidence but does not rely on the value of that evidence. It can be a reasoned belief or a salient one, both or either.
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Experience is the only source of knowledge, though not, infallible.
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popeye1945 wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 2:11 pm Experience is the only source of knowledge, though not, infallible.
How do we know what to do with experiences? (interpret, analyze, compare, disentangle, identify.....)
How did you know to focus on your mother's face and not the wall or her hair?
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popeye1945 wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 2:24 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 12:29 am
popeye1945 wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:53 am Knowledge is what your biology tells you it is. One's experience at times may not agree with physical reality but, knowledge is true to the biology that experiences it. Alter the biology and you alter the experience of apparent reality. Each individual, each different species experiences apparent reality somewhat differently due to their different biological states.
One's experience is the result of biology, biology is a result of matter, thus matter disagrees with itself when one's experience (matter) does not agree with physical reality (matter).
Eodnho7,
No, The reason that perception and judgment sometimes do not agree with the physical reality is that neither of these is infallible and there are such things as delusions or poor judgment. Sometimes it is just a matter of that particular biology is unhealthy and in some way this effect the senses.
If everything is determined through biology and biology, through the rational processes of the brain, judges biology, as either bad or good, then biology contradicts itself by creating a dichotomy in itself.

If perception and judgement are not infallible then they are not infallible in determining what is or is not infallible; the statement "perception and judgement are not infallible" is either fallible (thus potentially false) and/or infallible (thus the statement self-negates).
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Sculptor wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 8:41 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 12:30 am
Sculptor wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 11:56 pm

Why use the word "belief" for knowledge?
Knowledge requires a belief in one's memories thus knowledge is inseparable from belief.
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You just did.
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["If everything is determined through biology and biology, through the rational processes of the brain, judges biology, as either bad or good, then biology contradicts itself by creating a dichotomy in itself.
If perception and judgement are not infallible then they are not infallible in determining what is or is not infallible; the statement "perception and judgement are not infallible" is either fallible (thus potentially false) and/or infallible (thus the statement self-negates).
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Eodnhoj7,

Instead of focusing on disagreeing at all cost, you need to make an attempt to understand what has been stated. I have already stated that perception and judgement are not infallible/not perfect and very clearly I might add. You need to focus on what is said in the post and not go off on a tangent, indicate first that you have understood the post it is not a necessity to always disagree.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 10:29 pm
Sculptor wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 8:41 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 12:30 am

Knowledge requires a belief in one's memories thus knowledge is inseparable from belief.
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I know I'm paying attention. It's you who is not.
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Experience is knowledge.
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