RCSaunders wrote: ↑Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:59 pm
Age wrote: ↑Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:49 am
But, 'it does not matter what character is used', just as long as the character is already understood, correct?
I'm not exactly sure what you are asking, Age, but it seems like a fair question, and I'll answer what I think you are probably asking.
A symbol, in language, can be any arbitrary mark or vocalization, even a gesture (sign language and semaphor, for example), that stands for or represents a concept. The sign or symbol, itself, has no meaning. A concept is an identification of some existent. An existent is anything that is, an entity, an event, an attribute, a relationship, whether material (rocks, houses, animals, planets) or epistemological (history, mathematics, science, fiction). What a concept identifies (the actual existents) is what the concept means.
And what the 'concept' itself means is relative to the observer. This is because absolutely EVERY thing is relative to the observer.
RCSaunders wrote: ↑Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:59 pm
So, when you say, "it does not matter what character is used, just as long as the character is already understood," is only true so long as by, "already understood," means "the actual concept the character represents is known."
Remember that the 'actual concept' the character represents can only be truly known with and through clarification. Obviously, for what you know is not what "another" knows.
RCSaunders wrote: ↑Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:59 pm
Since, the meaning of a concept is the actual existents it identifies, no character, symbol, or sign means anything unless it represent a concept that means actual existents.
Just as long as this is what the human being, who makes things mean things, makes that the meaning of a concept.
Obviously, if a human being makes the meaning of a 'concept' something other than the actual existents it identifies, then the meaning of a 'concept', to them, is different from the meaning of a 'concept', to you. And, if it is impossible for a human being to make the meaning of a 'concept' other than the actual existents it identifies, then this is just an unequivocal fact, which obviously cannot be refuted.
RCSaunders wrote: ↑Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:59 pm
All by itself, no symbol means anything.
Well this is already very obvious.
I just wrote what I did because I was just writing what you wrote, just using different characters. See, 'it does not matter what character is used', just as long as the character is already understood. The characters you used were already understood, by some. So, I just repeated what you wrote, just using different characters, to show and prove that 'it does not matter what character is used' or 'tidak masalah karakter apa yang digunakan' just as long as the character is already understood', which obviously it was understood for you to respond, but you just did not seem to fully understand what the characters c-o-r-r-e-c-t meant, or were used for.
RCSaunders wrote: ↑Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:59 pm
If that's not clear, please feel free to question further.
You answer is clear. But, your answer shows, to me anyway, that what you were assuming I was "probably asking" is completely wrong.
My question was asking for nothing more than what the question itself asks for, that is; a yes or a no answer.