Relativity and Absolute Truth

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Eodnhoj7
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Relativity and Absolute Truth

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Relativity is absolute considering what is absolute is the identity of the context as a context. To say truth is relative is to assert there are certain contexts which always align with other contexts. This alignment necessitates absolute truth as existing.
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Re: Relativity and Absolute Truth

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Nah, the context is secondary.

What is the primary context is "experience" of reality.
Thus the fundamental should be grounded on experience-of-things which leads to justified knowledge of such experiences.

We cannot separate experience in this case from things as given.
There is no independent thing-in-itself that is experienced, it always the imperative combination experience-of-things.

What is truth is dependent on the specific Framework and System established to verify and justify the experience-of-things which cannot be absolutely absolute but has to be conditional.

Thus scientific truths are truths that are only true and conditional upon the Scientific Framework and such truth cannot be absolute and stand on itself.
Other Framework and Systems [e.g. Mathematical, legal, economic, social, etc.] will generate and justify the specific kind of truth.

How one can rely on such relative truths will depend on their confidence levels based on the credibility of the respective Framework and System.
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Re: Relativity and Absolute Truth

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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:15 am Nah, the context is secondary.

What is the primary context is "experience" of reality.
Thus the fundamental should be grounded on experience-of-things which leads to justified knowledge of such experiences.

We cannot separate experience in this case from things as given.
There is no independent thing-in-itself that is experienced, it always the imperative combination experience-of-things.

What is truth is dependent on the specific Framework and System established to verify and justify the experience-of-things which cannot be absolutely absolute but has to be conditional.

Thus scientific truths are truths that are only true and conditional upon the Scientific Framework and such truth cannot be absolute and stand on itself.
Other Framework and Systems [e.g. Mathematical, legal, economic, social, etc.] will generate and justify the specific kind of truth.

How one can rely on such relative truths will depend on their confidence levels based on the credibility of the respective Framework and System.
The context as having any secondary nature to truth is in itself a context, thus what we understand of context is the inversion of one context to another, causing one context is exist recursively through another.
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Re: Relativity and Absolute Truth

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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:15 am Nah, the context is secondary.

What is the primary context is "experience" of reality.
There is no independent thing-in-itself that is experienced,
Dimwit. Reality is the context in which experience happens.

If there weren't stimuli then you wouldn't experience anything.
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Re: Relativity and Absolute Truth

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Skepdick wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:49 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:15 am Nah, the context is secondary.

What is the primary context is "experience" of reality.
There is no independent thing-in-itself that is experienced,
Dimwit. Reality is the context in which experience happens.

If there weren't stimuli then you wouldn't experience anything.
Dumb as usual, show me where is the real-reality [stimuli] that is the context for experience.
What you are asserting is very obvious common sense or knowledge of the "vulgar" which the majority of people will agree, but that is not philosophy of the really-real.

If one see an apple on the table, yes the eyes are stimulated and triggered an experience of sighting an apple.
But is there a really-real apple or table out there?

Note Russell's [mine];
Among these surprising possibilities, doubt suggests that perhaps there is no table at all.

Such questions [of reality] are bewildering, and it is difficult to know that even the strangest hypotheses may not be true. Thus our familiar table, which has roused but the slightest thoughts in us hitherto, has become a problem full of surprising possibilities. The one thing we know about it is that it is not what it seems. Beyond this modest result, so far, we have the most complete liberty of conjecture. Leibniz tells us it is a community of souls: Berkeley tells us it is an idea in the mind of God; sober science, scarcely less wonderful, tells us it is a vast collection of electric charges in violent motion.
The fact is there is no way, you can prove there is a really-real stimuli [table] in this case that triggered the experience.
What is most certain, what the individual human have is his "experience" which can be shared by all generic humans inferring some sort of inferred object out there and the corresponding knowledge which can be useful.
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