The 'original sin' was eating from the 'tree of knowledge'. That is the real sin, the 'original sin' was eating knowledge, and now that apple is stuck in every ones throat. Sin has nothing to do with your acts, moral, or immoral. Sin has something to do with a Knowledge that has been misinterpreted.nothing wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:15 am If so-called satan *requires* "belief"-in-and-of-itself would that any/all "believer" "believe":
i. evil is good / good is evil
ii. satan is god / god is satan
iii. "belief"-in-and-of-itself is a virtue(???)
...would it not follow that any/all knowledge must include any/all *not* to "believe" on the basis of it being 'known' satanic?
How can one thus consciously justify that knowledge is "evil" if it is the very thing required to reconcile "belief" (ie. to know any/all *not* to "believe")?
How can one even consciously justify attempting to define evil (ie. knowledge=evil) when the problem-of-all-problems is "eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil" in the first place? What if one "believes" and it wrong? Is it not better to "know" and thus be right?
Suppose knowledge is "good" insofar as it serves towards any/all *not* not "believe?
Would this not be characteristic of any/all so-called all-knowing god(s)? Knowing any/all *not* to "believe"?
From belief to clarity is to renounce all knowledge and become not-knowing like a child who has not yet polluted it's being with knowledge in time. Your true pure being is beyond time. Only the contaminated is of time. A child is not born a sinner, sin is imposed upon it by knowledge in time. For example: a parent gives the child a name, the child of innocence then become identified with the sense of separation for the first time in knowing it is something other than it's original unborn I AM...then further along the childs experiences, the child is told it is naughty or bad, or it is told it is good..the child comes to know good and evil...yet is none of these artificially imposed concepts.
The real self is timeless unborn. The born self is in the dream of separation which is painful for the child to live in isolation like that. In knowledge we have completely lost the space, the inner purity, the inner Innocence that comes when one throws, renounces, one's knowledge. There is a place of perfect peace but no one wants to live there. The nondual not-knowing self is the peace that passes all understanding.
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