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Re: Knowledge is EVIL

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nothing wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:15 am If so-called satan *requires* "belief"-in-and-of-itself would that any/all "believer" "believe":
i. evil is good / good is evil
ii. satan is god / god is satan
iii. "belief"-in-and-of-itself is a virtue(???)

...would it not follow that any/all knowledge must include any/all *not* to "believe" on the basis of it being 'known' satanic?

How can one thus consciously justify that knowledge is "evil" if it is the very thing required to reconcile "belief" (ie. to know any/all *not* to "believe")?
How can one even consciously justify attempting to define evil (ie. knowledge=evil) when the problem-of-all-problems is "eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil" in the first place? What if one "believes" and it wrong? Is it not better to "know" and thus be right?
Suppose knowledge is "good" insofar as it serves towards any/all *not* not "believe?
Would this not be characteristic of any/all so-called all-knowing god(s)? Knowing any/all *not* to "believe"?
The 'original sin' was eating from the 'tree of knowledge'. That is the real sin, the 'original sin' was eating knowledge, and now that apple is stuck in every ones throat. Sin has nothing to do with your acts, moral, or immoral. Sin has something to do with a Knowledge that has been misinterpreted.

From belief to clarity is to renounce all knowledge and become not-knowing like a child who has not yet polluted it's being with knowledge in time. Your true pure being is beyond time. Only the contaminated is of time. A child is not born a sinner, sin is imposed upon it by knowledge in time. For example: a parent gives the child a name, the child of innocence then become identified with the sense of separation for the first time in knowing it is something other than it's original unborn I AM...then further along the childs experiences, the child is told it is naughty or bad, or it is told it is good..the child comes to know good and evil...yet is none of these artificially imposed concepts.

The real self is timeless unborn. The born self is in the dream of separation which is painful for the child to live in isolation like that. In knowledge we have completely lost the space, the inner purity, the inner Innocence that comes when one throws, renounces, one's knowledge. There is a place of perfect peace but no one wants to live there. The nondual not-knowing self is the peace that passes all understanding.



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Re: Knowledge is EVIL

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:20 pm Really...look whose talking.
Even better - look HOW you are talking.

Using the very thing you claim is the problem.
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Re: Knowledge is EVIL

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Skepdick wrote: Fri Oct 18, 2019 11:13 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:20 pm Really...look whose talking.
Even better - look HOW you are talking.

Using the very thing you claim is the problem.
Lobsters.

They depend on there shells to survive.

When the shell does not work it has to be removed and destroyed so a new one grows.


Black holes. They destroy everything in site. Then shoot the matter in a beam away from themselves when they are "full".


Forest fires. Burn everything in site. In turn a new forest grows, healthier than the old.


Creative and destruction go hand in hand. Philosophy needs to die, so it can be resurrected.
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Re: Knowledge is EVIL

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Skepdick wrote: Fri Oct 18, 2019 11:13 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:20 pm Really...look whose talking.
Even better - look HOW you are talking.

Using the very thing you claim is the problem.


Nobody ever argues the argument they always argue the arguer.
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Re: Knowledge is EVIL

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Dontaskme wrote: Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:56 am The 'original sin' was eating from the 'tree of knowledge'. That is the real sin, the 'original sin' was eating knowledge, and now that apple is stuck in every ones throat. Sin has nothing to do with your acts, moral, or immoral. Sin has something to do with a Knowledge that has been misinterpreted.
I find the original sin was "believing" to know good/evil thus:

2 any/all
1 KNOW
0- I am (willing to)
4 BELIEVE
3 *not to*

wherein:
0-1-2-3-4 = I am (willing to) KNOW any/all *not to* BELIEVE = Tree of Life
0-4-3-2-1 = I am (willing to BELIEVE *not to* any/all KNOW = Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil

as "belief"-in-and-of-itself would be required for so-called satan to have any potency. Else is all-knowing of any/all *not to* BELIEVE, which must certainly tend towards an all-knowing god (if there be one or not).
Dontaskme wrote: Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:56 am From belief to clarity is to renounce all knowledge and become not-knowing like a child who has not yet polluted it's being with knowledge in time. Your true pure being is beyond time. Only the contaminated is of time. A child is not born a sinner, sin is imposed upon it by knowledge in time. For example: a parent gives the child a name, the child of innocence then become identified with the sense of separation for the first time in knowing it is something other than it's original unborn I AM...then further along the childs experiences, the child is told it is naughty or bad, or it is told it is good..the child comes to know good and evil...yet is none of these artificially imposed concepts.
Could it be that anything less than knowing ones own self is "belief"-based ignorance as lived out accordingly?
Would this not be consistent with any being suffering accordingly to how they eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil?
How can one know any/all *not to* "believe" less knowledge? Children are generally unknowing of what to avoid as being harmful.
Dontaskme wrote: Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:56 am The real self is timeless unborn. The born self is in the dream of separation which is painful for the child to live in isolation like that. In knowledge we have completely lost the space, the inner purity, the inner Innocence that comes when one throws, renounces, one's knowledge. There is a place of perfect peace but no one wants to live there. The nondual not-knowing self is the peace that passes all understanding.
I think in ignorance, rather than knowledge, people have lost themselves. Knowledge negates "belief"-based ignorance, which any so-called satan would require to confuse people into worshiping satan rather than god / evil rather than good etc. Would an all-knowing god not *know* how to avoid/reconcile any/all such suffering?
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