Dontaskme wrote: ↑
Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:30 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑
Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:02 am
Dontaskme wrote: ↑
Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:47 am
Oneness is relative to itself only. The divide between the knower and the known is illusory, knower and known exist in the exact same moment TOGETHER, here as this unhinged seamless NOW... there is here only not-knowing knowing. Reality is Nondual, duality is non-dual.
Nondual is not duality.
There is no way out of what was never entered.
All you, aka no thing, are doing is using conceptual ideas you believe to exist as a concrete thing in and of it self as being the knower. There is no such knower.
Condition implies a conditioner...there is no conditioner in that which is unconditionally here now one without a second. You have no arugment, sorry, there is no you because there is no other than you.
If I am not mistaken from some of your past posts I have scanned, your background is that of Advaita Vedānta;
Note I was into Advaita Vedanta for a long time.
Whilst I appreciate my exploration and experience in Advaita_Vedanta, I have graduated from it towards Buddhism-proper and then on my own.
I don't agree there is an atman that dissolved into Brahman.
While Brahman is claimed to be The Absolute there is still this sense of condition behind the scene.
Buddhism do not agree with an ultimate atman [contrary anatman] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatta
and Absolute Brahman and contrary to Brahman is nothingness -Śūnyatā
then there is the more refined concept of;
the nothingness of nothingness.
the point is the mind has the tendency to cling to something [ultimately God] and as such trigger the cycle of birth and death, thus sufferings.
Nothing of nothingness is not solipsism nor nihilism because one is still interacting with the empirical world but with different spectacles of consciousness.
Advaita_Vedanta is the end of KNOWLEDGE.
It's not for the mind to know or don't know.
The mind is known by the unknown.
You simply have no arugment except with yourself who ever that self is believed to be.
There is no self to deny itself nor proove itself...it's totally self standing...self evident and it's not what mind thinks it is.
Advaita_Vedanta is pointing to the not-knowing known.
It does this by using concepts known, it's a story like everything else known.
The truth about stories is that no one wrote them. They are fictions appearing real as known.
No one is into knowledge, you are knowledge.
The problem is clear, you have looked into nonduality, but have not understood what nonduality means, rather you have been identified with the story instead of that in which the story is arising known only to that one only...which is this nondual mind.
The mind that believes it exists is not the ultimate KNOWER....so cannot disclaim anything let alone know the disclaimed to be the ultimate truth.
The mind cannot say whether something exists or not, without creating those things in the same moment.
The mind only knows concepts, which are illusory and have no existence or substance outside of that arena.
In other words, there is no thing here to say whether there is a God or not, or whether there is any thing or not.
It's All concepts all the way down...
WHO says there is no God...find that one?
Actually I did not make the point, there is NO God and from there enter into a debate about it.
I stated the question of 'God is real' is moot and a non-starter.
Thus there is no question of whether there is a real god or not because God is an impossibility.
Nevertheless one can think of a 'God' whatever that is just an one can think of anything in mind, i.e. as long as the mind can generate the thought, even a square-circle.
But critical point is whether one insist what is thought is real or not.
There are people who think of God but accept that such a God is an illusion in the mind.
There are some people think they are God or God's messenger until they are given medicines or counselled.
Note; Ramachandran - Temporal Epilepsy and God
There is a problem when people believe there is a real
God which deliver holy texts via their messenger or prophet which include commands that are evil laden that exhort believers to kill non-believer as a divine duty in exchange with greater rewards of eternal life in paradise. This is a reality with the Abrahamic religions especially the worst being Islam.
Advaita_Vedanta is the end of KNOWLEDGE, but there is still a residual of a very subtle inkling of something [atman then to Brahman] which many equate with energy or god particle with regard to the idea of Brahman.
Buddhism on the other hand let go of everything, thus,
'If you see Buddha on the road, kill him'.
The Gita stated, "do not be attached to the fruits of action" but should have gone further than non-dual to non~non-dual.
If Buddhism is incorporated into the Gita, it will state.
"do not be attached even to Brahman" or 'Kill Brahman'.
But because most Hindus view Brahman as God or the Absolute, there is no way they will dare to assert 'Kill Brahman' due the psychology involved.