If truth has nothing to do with what people think or believe, then what exactly is it that has to do with truth. As far as I am aware no other living thing has anything to do with truth. If truth, itself, is a human made concept, then the whole concept of truth is based solely around what people think and believe, isn't it?yiostheoy wrote:Whether people agree on something or not has nothing to do with it being true or false.ken wrote:... I think it would be near impossible for everyone to agree on something that were not true, let alone if it was only most or many. I, for one, would not agree on nor believe in something that were not true.
This is the essence of the rule of argumentum populum.
Truth has nothing to do with what people think or believe.
Obviously people in agreement, itself, does not necessarily make something true or false. Most of us have heard that saying before and agree with it. I agree with your first statement. But I was not implying anything like that. All I am doing is suggesting that if there is no person disagreeing on the truthfulness of something, then there is no one saying it is not true. Therefore, as far as everyone is concerned, for a certain period of time anyway, that "truth" stands as being true.
I also suggested not holding a truth rigid as a fact that can never be changed. I find it always better to remain open because, as proven countless times throughout history, truth can change.
If all people are agreeing on something being true or false, then all people are in agreement. You cannot dispute that.
If all people are in agreement on something being true or false, then that thing in agreement, itself, is truth.
'What is truth' IS that thing that is in agreement by all.
I was just suggesting that 'what is truth' is THAT what everyone is agreeing upon.
If you disagree and say that what I am suggesting here is NOT what truth is, then either say 'what truth is' or say you don't know 'what truth is' or suggest something else.
If you or no other person can dispute the fact that if all people are agreeing on something being true or false then all people are in agreement, then that in of itself is a truth. Again that thing that is in agreement by all of us is 'What is truth'.
Just pointing out the essence of the rule of argumentum populum does not work here because a popular argument has nothing to do with what I am saying here. In fact what I am saying I have never heard nor read before. It is therefore the most least popular argument. I am the only one saying/suggesting it, for now. The essence of that argumentum populum rule applies to most, many, or a majority anyway. Whereas I have said ALL. But, if you would like to reply saying that the essence of that rule of arumentum populum can or does apply for all and everyone, then I have still never said that agreement in of itself infers truth. I have stated that THAT thing what is in agreement is truth.
If you are still unclear of what I am saying, then I think what is confusing here is the issue of agreement with the issue of the thing that is being agreed upon. Again, if no person is disagreeing on the thing, itself, that is being shown as true (or false), then as far as every human being is concerned then that has everything to do with "it" being true (or false). No other thing in this universe can tell us what is true (or false). We alone decide. So, if every one of us is in agreement, then we are all in agreement. If this truth cannot be disputed, then what truth is IS now known.
I am not sure how else to make myself clearer for now.
I must reiterate however that even truth itself, even if agreed by all, can and may change.