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why post- modernism is wrong/right

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When reason is off the table, what's left really is only power. "In the face of madness, rationality is powerless.
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Advocate wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:50 am When reason is off the table, what's left really is only power. "In the face of madness, rationality is powerless.
Knowledge is power.

If that's all that's left on the table - I'll take it.

To attempt to use the pursuit of power (knowledge) as a pejorative seems ass-backwards for "lovers of wisdom".
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Skepdick wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:04 am
Advocate wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:50 am When reason is off the table, what's left really is only power. "In the face of madness, rationality is powerless.
Knowledge is power.

If that's all that's left on the table - I'll take it.

To attempt to use the pursuit of power (knowledge) as a pejorative seems ass-backwards for "lovers of wisdom".
It seems Advocate thinks to use power is the same as to use greed or callousness.
Power is morally neutral. Many people think of power as if it were an evil force. I suspect this ethic arose with Christianity and other religions of social control. The rulers do not want the lower classes to be unruly and so they put it about that power is evil and it's good to be humble and accept adversity.
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Skepdick wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:04 am
Advocate wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:50 am When reason is off the table, what's left really is only power. "In the face of madness, rationality is powerless.
Knowledge is power.

If that's all that's left on the table - I'll take it.

To attempt to use the pursuit of power (knowledge) as a pejorative seems ass-backwards for "lovers of wisdom".
Thats not a very modern concept lol. I dunno what people say this year, but four few years ago, it was that 'narrative' defines truth independent of any truth evaluation of a proposition, or of its substantiating evidence.
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ernestm wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:17 am Thats not a very modern concept lol. I dunno what people say this year, but four few years ago, it was that 'narrative' defines truth independent of any truth evaluation of a proposition, or of its substantiating evidence.
That's trivially true.

Truth doesn't have any intrinsic value, so "truth" is anything you want it to be.

There's a bunch of truth-theories already. Choose the one you like, or add yours to the pile.
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[quote=ernestm post_id=506512 time=1617859024 user_id=12613]
Thats not a very modern concept lol. I dunno what people say this year, but four few years ago, it was that 'narrative' defines truth independent of any truth evaluation of a proposition, or of its substantiating evidence.
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That's trivially true.

Truth doesn't have any intrinsic value, so "truth" is anything you want it to be.

There's a bunch of truth-theories already. Choose the one you like, or add yours to the pile.
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Truth is justified belief that continuously replicates.
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Advocate wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:23 pm Truth is justified belief that continuously replicates.
OK. That's yet another truth-theory.

Just like all other truth-theories it has no intrinsic value.
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[quote=Skepdick post_id=507696 time=1618576449 user_id=17350]
[quote=Advocate post_id=507690 time=1618575781 user_id=15238]
Truth is justified belief that continuously replicates.
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OK. That's yet another truth-theory.

Just like all other truth-theories it has no intrinsic value.
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The value is that it does everything we need the word truth to do. It's not a theory, it's a description.
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