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Re: Certain Knowledge

Post by Skepdick » Fri May 22, 2020 10:01 pm

RCSaunders wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 8:57 pm
No, unfortunately, it cannot be. Once someone insists they do not know anything for certain, they have made it clear they are not certain anything they think, believe, or say is true. The only thing one can do is take their word for it.

Of course, that also means you cannot be certain anyone else is wrong. Henry's right, but you'll never know it.
I don't need your apologetics, or your posse gang-up.

All I need you to address is your double standard.
RCSaunders wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 1:20 am
It's like t̶r̶u̶t̶h̶ certainty. A proposition is either t̶r̶u̶t̶h̶ certain or it isn't. There is no such thing as almost t̶r̶u̶t̶h̶ certain. If it's not t̶r̶u̶t̶h̶ certain, even only .001% not t̶r̶u̶t̶h̶ certain, it's not t̶r̶u̶t̶h̶ certain at all. It's like purity. W̶a̶t̶e̶r̶ Knowledge is either 100% p̶u̶r̶e̶ certain, or it's i̶m̶p̶u̶r̶e̶ uncertain, even if it's only .001% i̶m̶p̶u̶r̶e̶ uncertain.
If 99% truth is not true, then 99% certainty is not certainty.

Why are you a skeptical about truth, but dogmatic about certainty? That's just schizophrenic.
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Re: Certain Knowledge

Post by Veritas Aequitas » Sat May 23, 2020 7:49 am

RCSaunders wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 3:53 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 8:24 am
As human beings we are fallible thus need to be humble not claiming to be like God i.e. perfect in every sense, in this case, knowing perfectly with 100% certainty.
What's wrong with you? Do you have any doubts about whether you are alive? Does that mean you think you are God? There are some things you must be certain about. You can deny what you know, close your eyes to the truth (evading the responsibility and using ignorance as your excuse), but you know you are conscious, you know you make choices, you know whatever you do you are responsible for.

You be humble. I have no one else to answer to.
Certain yes, but not absolutely certain.
Do you have any doubts about whether you are alive?
I am certain the empirical-me is alive relative to my consciousness and observations.
When it is relative, it cannot be absolutely certain, i.e. totally unconditional.

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Re: Certain Knowledge

Post by RCSaunders » Sat May 23, 2020 8:42 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 7:49 am
Do you have any doubts about whether you are alive?
I am certain the empirical-me is alive relative to my consciousness and observations.
We've made progress.

Do you have any doubts that you are conscious?

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Re: Certain Knowledge

Post by Veritas Aequitas » Sun May 24, 2020 4:07 am

RCSaunders wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 8:42 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 7:49 am
Do you have any doubts about whether you are alive?
I am certain the empirical-me is alive relative to my consciousness and observations.
We've made progress.

Do you have any doubts that you are conscious?
Note I stated above;
"Certain yes, but not absolutely certain"

The point is, the overriding state is of not 100% absolute certainty but only relative certainty, thus,

99.999 certainty [I am 100% of this or that]
99.999 certainty [I am 100% I am conscious]

Whatever you claimed to be 100% certain it is always overridden by the default 99.999 certainty.

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