popeye1945 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:25 amTruth/fact is experience-dependent and is not infallible,
To KEEP CLAIMING, 'To error is to be human', is TO KEEP 'trying to' "justify" NEVER to DO BETTER.popeye1945 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:25 amThe first stage of the process of discernment is perception, and if perception is faulty due to one's biology, the correction of that judgement is also experience/perception dependent. Biology is the measure and meaning of all things. "To error is to be human."
Also, is there ANY animal that does NOT 'error'?
If no, then it is just a Fact that 'you', human beings, MAKE 'errors'. But, SO WHAT? I, for One, NEVER EXPECT ANY 'thing' ELSE.
And, for one to say, 'To error is to be human', alludes to there being some PRESUMPTION within that one that human beings will NOT make 'errors'.
See, even this CLAIM is just ANOTHER ERROR, which MAKES 'you', MORE human, right?popeye1945 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:25 am A collective subjective judgement of an experience is somewhat more likely to be correct, but again, even the collective judgment is not infallible.
Here we have HAD ANOTHER GREAT EXAMPLE of DEFLECTION, in one of its BETTER ATTEMPTS.popeye1945 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:25 am Despite the dangers, we trust, as we must, our own perceptions in general, as not to do so would mean to be frozen in indecision, and unable to function properly in the world.
But it is NOT WORKING. Did you SEE and READ the ACTUAL QUESTION I posed, and asked you, for CLARITY, above here?
GREAT. This is EXACTLY HOW I WAS READING 'you'.popeye1945 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:25 amYou are I believe misreading; I stated the perception/experience and judgment are NOT infallible. Meaning they are all subject to human error.
AND, what this MEANS IS that absolutely EVERY 'thing' that you have WRITTEN and SAID here could be Wrong and/or IN ERROR, correct?
Or, can 'you' NOT be Wrong NOR IN ERROR here?
Okay, this, somewhat PARTLY answers the last question of mine, but what about the first two questions I asked you?popeye1945 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:25 amPhysical reality is what biology tells you it is, but again this is NOT perfect, in the cases of delusion, the delusion may be due to the limitations or malfunctions of said biology whether that be perception or judgment.Age wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 7:02 amAND, what IS the 'truth/fact' of or about 'physical reality' based on, EXACTLY, if NOT 'dependent upon experience'?
Also, HOW would one EVER KNOW if expressed 'truths/facts' AGREED with 'physical reality', or NOT?
And, what about 'non-physical reality', does that even exist?
BUT, you just got through TELLING us that 'truth/fact' is 'experience-dependent' and is NOT infallible. So, HOW do we KNOW that what you say 'is true', which IS 'experience-dependent' upon YOUR OWN past 'experience' is NOT infallible ALSO?popeye1945 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:52 am This is true whether it is individual truth/fact or truth of the group or collective judgment.
popeye1945 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:52 am What is actually true as fact, is often not believed; if it does not agree with one's perception or preconceived bias.
BUT I HAVE ALREADY ASKED you TO CLARIFY, ' HOW would one EVER KNOW if expressed 'truths/facts' AGREED with 'physical reality', or NOT?', but which you did NOT ANSWER.popeye1945 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:25 amWhat is actually true as a fact is, that one's perception/experience and judgment coincide with physical reality.
you can only ATTEMPT TO DEFLECT SO MUCH, BEFORE it BECOMES COMPLETELY OBVIOUS to "others" and eventually to EVERY one.popeye1945 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:25 am I am a little puzzled here, you have questioned absolutely everything stated and while it might be good for me to sharpen my thoughts in answering every detail; it makes me wonder if you understood anything from the original post.
I suggest READING my responses, and QUESTIONS AGAIN, then SEEING HOW MUCH I Truly UNDERSTAND WILL BECOME CLEARER. And the MORE you READ, and LOOK from a Truly OPEN perspective, then the MORE you WILL SEE in regards to MY UNDERSTANDING here.
Also, I suggest quoting this response of yours CORRECTLY, and REWRITING this response again, then MAYBE you will SEE WHO is NOT UNDERSTANDING WHO here.