I don't understand the question. If you speak like a Frenchman; or Spaniard; or Italian do you actually mean it?Trajk Logik wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 3:04 pmBut when you speak like an atheist or theist, do you actually mean it? What about speaking like an agnostic?Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 2:53 pm
It means fuckall. It's just different vocabularies for different identities. I know that.
I can speak like an atheist. I can speak like a theist. I can speak like an agnostic.
But people who don't know how to think don't understand that, so they protect their narrative and their identity from attack.
I am just expressing myself using a different framing
I still get to say the same things, about the same reality. Relaying the same human emotions, desires, commands etc.
I am just using a different language.
Stick me in a group of unicornists and I'll learn their language soon enough.
How is French different to Russian? What sort of answer do you expect to such a question?Trajk Logik wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 3:04 pm How is that different than speaking like you are a theist?
I have no idea what "believing in what you are saying" even means. I use language to express myself. I have a reason for expressing myself. Usually the reason is because I need something from other humans; or they need something from me.Trajk Logik wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 3:04 pm If you are not a theist and not a believer in unicorns (because you are an agnostic in both) then you don't actually believe what you are saying.
Whether I am expressing myself speaking to a theist; atheist or a unicornist - my reason for expressing myself doesn't go away.
Language is a tool. We use it to communicate with other humans in order to navigate reality and achieve goals.
The entire philosophical language game of "getting reality right" is horseshit; and so is the "does X exist?" game.
Quite settled it for me. What exists? Everything.
In what sort of situation does the question of "existence" pop up? What sort of person is asking you? In what sort of context? For what sort of reason?Trajk Logik wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 3:04 pm How can I make any judgement on the existence of something that has not been consistently defined?
The only time I've ever been encountered the language game of "what exists" and "what doesn't exist" is when intellectual infants are still learning how to think. Can they play the usual one-upmanship game of ridiculing each other.
Yeah, my son believes in Santa - he has very good reason to. He saw Santa - Santa brought him gifts.
The fact that it was me dressed up as Santa seems like a minor and unimportant detail?
My son is recounting his experience of (somebody pretending to be) Santa.
It's not like somebody has pulled the wool over his eyes and swindled him out of his most priceless posession.
Again. In what context would this sort of sentence come up with. What if I told you the pimple on my ass exists?Trajk Logik wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 3:04 pm What if I, and others, told you that Darkmeflarb exists?
Why do you care about my beliefs in the first place anyway? "Beliefs" are just a manner of speaking. They are a meta-narrative.Trajk Logik wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 3:04 pm Do you need to know what Darkmeflarb is before asserting whether or not you believe, not believe, or just don't know if it exists?
It doesn't usually matter what you believe if you know how to think.
Depends on the context of the conversation.
I don't think beliefs work like that. WHY I believe matters. WHAT I believe does not.Trajk Logik wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 3:04 pm And if you did and you received different answers from different people, how would that affect what you believe
Spur of the moment. If I understood what the person is saying and I cared to engage. And I had something to say and a reason to say it - I would.Trajk Logik wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 3:04 pm how would you receiving different answers to your question be any different than you never asking what a Darkmeflarb is? Would you still assert that there is no evidence either way? How is that any different than simply finding no use in my claims and going on about your life as if I had never said anything at all?