So what's really going on?
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Maia
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by Maia » Sun May 28, 2023 9:40 am
Skepdick wrote: ↑ Sun May 28, 2023 9:39 am
Maia wrote: ↑ Sun May 28, 2023 9:38 am
Skepdick wrote: ↑ Sun May 28, 2023 9:36 am
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Not all of them though, whatever that is.
That is so peculiar. JAWS supports Braille.
The above is written in Braille.
Braille is embossed, as I'm sure you know.
Skepdick
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by Skepdick » Sun May 28, 2023 9:42 am
Maia wrote: ↑ Sun May 28, 2023 9:40 am
Skepdick wrote: ↑ Sun May 28, 2023 9:39 am
Maia wrote: ↑ Sun May 28, 2023 9:38 am
Not all of them though, whatever that is.
That is so peculiar. JAWS supports Braille.
The above is written in Braille.
Braille is embossed, as I'm sure you know.
Of course, I know.
The Braille font I used encodes the embossings
Maia
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by Maia » Sun May 28, 2023 9:44 am
Skepdick wrote: ↑ Sun May 28, 2023 9:42 am
Maia wrote: ↑ Sun May 28, 2023 9:40 am
Skepdick wrote: ↑ Sun May 28, 2023 9:39 am
That is so peculiar. JAWS supports Braille.
The above is written in Braille.
Braille is embossed, as I'm sure you know.
Of course, I know.
The Braille font encodes the embossings
If I had a Braille display I could read it. But I don't.
Skepdick
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by Skepdick » Sun May 28, 2023 9:45 am
Maia wrote: ↑ Sun May 28, 2023 9:44 am
If I had a Braille display I could read it. But I don't.
The tactile output of JAWS isn't encoded in Braille?
Maia
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by Maia » Sun May 28, 2023 9:46 am
Skepdick wrote: ↑ Sun May 28, 2023 9:45 am
Maia wrote: ↑ Sun May 28, 2023 9:44 am
If I had a Braille display I could read it. But I don't.
The tactile output of JAWS isn't encoded in Braille?
It's a voice synthesiser. Hence the term screenreader.
Skepdick
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by Skepdick » Sun May 28, 2023 9:48 am
Maia wrote: ↑ Sun May 28, 2023 9:46 am
It's a voice synthesiser. Hence the term screenreader.
Yeah... terminology can be confusing.
Reading the screen is one thing.
Writing the result to a voice synthesizer; or a Braille display is another.
Skepdick
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by Skepdick » Sun May 28, 2023 9:49 am
Maia wrote: ↑ Sun May 28, 2023 9:46 am
Skepdick wrote: ↑ Sun May 28, 2023 9:45 am
Maia wrote: ↑ Sun May 28, 2023 9:44 am
If I had a Braille display I could read it. But I don't.
The tactile output of JAWS isn't encoded in Braille?
It's a voice synthesiser. Hence the term screenreader.
So, don't you find it a bit ironic that a tool which is aimed at aiding the visually impaired (who use Braille. A lot) can't actually read Braille?
Maia
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by Maia » Sun May 28, 2023 9:50 am
Skepdick wrote: ↑ Sun May 28, 2023 9:48 am
Maia wrote: ↑ Sun May 28, 2023 9:46 am
It's a voice synthesiser. Hence the term screenreader.
Yeah... terminology can be confusing.
Reading the screen is one thing.
Writing the result to a voice synthesizer; or a Braille display is another.
It reads what's on the screen. I can also get it to read punctuation, or switch to spelling out individual letters, if I want to.
Maia
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by Maia » Sun May 28, 2023 9:51 am
Skepdick wrote: ↑ Sun May 28, 2023 9:49 am
Maia wrote: ↑ Sun May 28, 2023 9:46 am
Skepdick wrote: ↑ Sun May 28, 2023 9:45 am
The tactile output of JAWS isn't encoded in Braille?
It's a voice synthesiser. Hence the term screenreader.
So, don't you find it a bit ironic that a tool which is aimed at aiding the visually impaired (who use Braille. A lot) can't actually read Braille?
Why would it need to? How often is Braille used as a font? It's for reading by touch, not on a screen.
Skepdick
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by Skepdick » Sun May 28, 2023 9:55 am
Maia wrote: ↑ Sun May 28, 2023 9:51 am
Why would it need to? How often is Braille used as a font? It's for reading by touch, not on a screen.
It's used as often as it needs to be used.
How do you read Braille from a screen?
Maia
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by Maia » Sun May 28, 2023 9:58 am
Skepdick wrote: ↑ Sun May 28, 2023 9:55 am
Maia wrote: ↑ Sun May 28, 2023 9:51 am
Why would it need to? How often is Braille used as a font? It's for reading by touch, not on a screen.
It's used as often as it needs to be used.
How do you read Braille off a screen?
Braille is a tactile script. It can't be read from a screen without a Braille display. It doesn't even have a one-to-one relationship with normal English text, either.
Wizard22
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by Wizard22 » Sun May 28, 2023 10:14 am
Maia wrote: ↑ Sun May 28, 2023 9:22 am Assuming it was clean, do people only perceive glass because of non-visual cues?
Assuming it's a clean sheet of glass, yes people don't really "know" it's there until they get close to it.
When you're really close to a clean sheet of glass, there is small enough disruption and refraction to "see" it.
Flannel Jesus
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by Flannel Jesus » Sun May 28, 2023 10:14 am
Maia wrote: ↑ Sun May 28, 2023 9:58 am It doesn't even have a one-to-one relationship with normal English text, either.
Didn't know that. That's interesting.
Maia
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by Maia » Sun May 28, 2023 10:16 am
Wizard22 wrote: ↑ Sun May 28, 2023 10:14 am
Maia wrote: ↑ Sun May 28, 2023 9:22 am Assuming it was clean, do people only perceive glass because of non-visual cues?
Assuming it's a clean sheet of glass, yes people don't really "know" it's there until they get close to it.
When you're really close to a clean sheet of glass, there is small enough disruption and refraction to "see" it.
Presumably people pick up on the non-visual cues.
Maia
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by Maia » Sun May 28, 2023 10:19 am
Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑ Sun May 28, 2023 10:14 am
Maia wrote: ↑ Sun May 28, 2023 9:58 am It doesn't even have a one-to-one relationship with normal English text, either.
Didn't know that. That's interesting.
Numbers are represented by letters, for instance, with a number signifier. Capital letters are signified in a similar way, and there are a lot of contractions, too. The string "and" wherever it occurs is always represented by a single symbol, for example.