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to grok multiple universes

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While it is true that everything that can happen does happen, that's one big infinitely connected, infinitely causal ongoing happening. There is only one universe and there is neither a mechanism by which other universes could exist, or a way that a boundary could exist to distinguish one from another.

Universe= all that is

If there are areas of Reality which are distinguished from other areas of Reality by some boundary condition, in which things may happen materially differently than here, that must be shown by positive evidence, not mere speculation.

epistemically: Multiple universes is both indistinguishable from fiction and infinitely more complex than what it seeks to explain, and is therefore intellectually regressive. (Actionable certainty is the purpose of all knowledge, wisdom, and understanding.)
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Advocate wrote: Sat Oct 22, 2022 2:51 pmWhile it is true that everything that can happen does happen
While I usually use this assumption too, it's not "true". We can't know it to be true.
that's one big infinitely connected,
Agan while I usually use this assumption too, it's not "true". We can't know it to be true.
infinitely causal ongoing happening.
Here's my main problem. You seem to assert that the arrow of time holds across the infinity of multiple universes too. That's arguably not logical. The past disappears, the future appears out of nothing, there may be an inherent symmetry breaking due to eternal change that doesn't form a closed loop.
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[quote=Atla post_id=675918 time=1698473628 user_id=15497]
[quote=Advocate post_id=605709 time=1666446660 user_id=15238]While it is true that everything that can happen does happen[/quote]
While I usually use this assumption too, it's not "true". We can't know it to be true.

[quote]that's one big infinitely connected,[/quote]
Agan while I usually use this assumption too, it's not "true". We can't know it to be true.

[quote]infinitely causal ongoing happening.[/quote]
Here's my main problem. You seem to assert that the arrow of time holds across the infinity of multiple universes too. That's arguably not logical. The past disappears, the future appears out of nothing, there may be an inherent symmetry breaking due to eternal change that doesn't form a closed loop.
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1) it only takes a single exception to prove this answer wrong. Until then, is there even a viable alternative? An alternate universe remains more complex than anything it could possibly be trying to explain and is therefore intellectually regressive to believe, Seven if it ends up being true with the addition of evidence that does not yet exist.

2) The infinity of space and the linearity of time are universally true because truth can only ever be the best we can understand reality, not subject to future refutation. Literally all empirical measurement and logical necessity sports these points. No instance of exception has ever occurred. Therefore, until such time, this is the true answer, and we have no reason to believe otherwise so it's defacto true.

3)There is only one universe and the arrow of time expires or experience, not a hypothetical ultimate. No one has ever experienced either a lack of casualty or a reversal of it. Those ideas are imaginary and don't need any further dismissal. To posit a closed loop is not different than positing god. To posit time travel is no different than positing god.
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Advocate wrote: Sat Oct 28, 2023 2:09 pm 1) it only takes a single exception to prove this answer wrong. Until then, is there even a viable alternative? An alternate universe remains more complex than anything it could possibly be trying to explain and is therefore intellectually regressive to believe, Seven if it ends up being true with the addition of evidence that does not yet exist.

2) The infinity of space and the linearity of time are universally true because truth can only ever be the best we can understand reality, not subject to future refutation. Literally all empirical measurement and logical necessity sports these points. No instance of exception has ever occurred. Therefore, until such time, this is the true answer, and we have no reason to believe otherwise so it's defacto true.

3)There is only one universe and the arrow of time expires or experience, not a hypothetical ultimate. No one has ever experienced either a lack of casualty or a reversal of it. Those ideas are imaginary and don't need any further dismissal. To posit a closed loop is not different than positing god. To posit time travel is no different than positing god.
Okay again too many issues to address here, but just this one: how is 'there is only one universe, but everything that can happen, does happen there' different from multiple universes? Isn't that probably just semantics?
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[quote=Atla post_id=675984 time=1698501516 user_id=15497]
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1) it only takes a single exception to prove this answer wrong. Until then, is there even a viable alternative? An alternate universe remains more complex than anything it could possibly be trying to explain and is therefore intellectually regressive to believe, Seven if it ends up being true with the addition of evidence that does not yet exist.

2) The infinity of space and the linearity of time are universally true because truth can only ever be the best we can understand reality, not subject to future refutation. Literally all empirical measurement and logical necessity sports these points. No instance of exception has ever occurred. Therefore, until such time, this is the true answer, and we have no reason to believe otherwise so it's defacto true.

3)There is only one universe and the arrow of time expires or experience, not a hypothetical ultimate. No one has ever experienced either a lack of casualty or a reversal of it. Those ideas are imaginary and don't need any further dismissal. To posit a closed loop is not different than positing god. To posit time travel is no different than positing god.
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Okay again too many issues to address here, but just this one: how is 'there is only one universe, but everything that can happen, does happen there' different from multiple universes? Isn't that probably just semantics?
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Everything that can happen does happen, not imply all theoretical possibilities. There is only one possible outcome from any given input.
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Advocate wrote: Sat Oct 28, 2023 3:09 pm
Atla wrote: Sat Oct 28, 2023 2:58 pm
Advocate wrote: Sat Oct 28, 2023 2:09 pm 1) it only takes a single exception to prove this answer wrong. Until then, is there even a viable alternative? An alternate universe remains more complex than anything it could possibly be trying to explain and is therefore intellectually regressive to believe, Seven if it ends up being true with the addition of evidence that does not yet exist.

2) The infinity of space and the linearity of time are universally true because truth can only ever be the best we can understand reality, not subject to future refutation. Literally all empirical measurement and logical necessity sports these points. No instance of exception has ever occurred. Therefore, until such time, this is the true answer, and we have no reason to believe otherwise so it's defacto true.

3)There is only one universe and the arrow of time expires or experience, not a hypothetical ultimate. No one has ever experienced either a lack of casualty or a reversal of it. Those ideas are imaginary and don't need any further dismissal. To posit a closed loop is not different than positing god. To posit time travel is no different than positing god.
Okay again too many issues to address here, but just this one: how is 'there is only one universe, but everything that can happen, does happen there' different from multiple universes? Isn't that probably just semantics?
Everything that can happen does happen, not imply all theoretical possibilities. There is only one possible outcome from any given input.
And there may be infinite 'inputs' that do happen
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