Belinda wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 10:10 am
popeye1945 wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 3:52 pm
Belinda wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 11:23 am
Thingness and "unmanifested energy" are each ways of imagining nature. Spinoza's Latin words for these ways were Natura Naturata (the things of nature) and Natura Naturans (nature naturing itself). These are mutually inclusive ways to think of nature.
Interesting, two aspects of one thing.
There is only one thing, Nature.(Theists think Nature is a Person). Your claim is Nature is unmanifested energy. I get "unmanifested" but I don't understand what energy is apart from it's being either potential energy or kinetic energy. E.g. potential energy is the bones and muscles of the Shire horse ,while kinetic energy is the Shire horse dragging a tree trunk.
No, I do not claim that nature is unmanifested energy, in fact, apparent reality/our everyday reality is a world of objects. The world of objects is a biological simulation, a biological readout, informing the subject not of the source, but of the effects of the source upon the senses of the biological subject. It is a melody only the biological subject/life form, is conscious of; it is energy processed through living beings. If we are to speak of ultimate reality as opposed to apparent reality, then it is all unmanifested energy and as in other kinds of mysteries, instead of following the money its fellow the energy, for it is all energy, and money is but abstract energy. Yes, energy is constantly in transformation from one form to another. Potential energy is the Shire horse manifested as object, kinetic energy though unmanifested still has power. I recall someone asking Bertrand Russell, what is electricity, without missing a beat, he stated, "Electricity is the way in which things behave." In the relationship between subject and object, if the subject does not have the object to react to, it ceases to be, as in no conscious subject. Within the constitution of nature there is an apparent duality which is prevalent, humanity, two aspects of one thing, male and female, right/wrong, subject and object.
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